It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
06-20-2018, 02:11 PM,
Post: #1
It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
https://tvline.com/2018/06/19/laura-ingr...-fox-news/

Also:

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These are some might fine christian values being displayed on the right.

Quote:Generally, in a law enforcement context, families are separated when an adult is arrested or convicted of a crime, if the penalties involve jail time. (With the revocation of Paul Manafort’s bond on Friday, the country has also re-familiarized itself this week with pre-trial detention.) But in these circumstances, due process has been provided: a complaint has been filed, a grand jury has indicted, or a judge has issued a warrant or heard evidence supporting the argument for detention. Moreover, when a parent is arrested for a crime, the government does not place the child in a government facility or in foster care unless the child has no other parent or family member, or is in danger, or removal is otherwise deemed to be in the child's best interests. The key determining factor is that the treatment should be in the best interests of the child.

Greater attention should be given to whether there are even any legitimate constitutional grounds for removing a child from a parent—for days to weeks to months without end—in the context of enforcing a misdemeanor illegal-entry law. On even less firm ground is the ability of the government to place a child in foster care absent a best-interest-of-the-child analysis, which is most appropriately conducted by a neutral magistrate. And, to be clear, there is no statutory requirement to separate children from their parents. The separations are flowing directly from the policy decision of the Trump administration to refer additional illegal-entry cases for prosecution without adequately developing a sufficient legal framework and an accompanying policy for addressing the practical realities of what would happen to the children as a result of the new prosecutive guideline.

A second issue is whether, in the course of carrying out what agents believe is a lawful implementation of the immigration laws, the civil rights of the adult or the child may be violated. With respect to children in particular, this could include separating a young child from a mother or parent, thereby causing mental trauma; placing a young child in the care of strangers or government officials against the child’s will or best interests; or more commonly recognized forms of physical abuse that could occur while the child is in the custody of non-parents.

The risk of civil rights violations—particularly in the absence of policy guidance to the agents, officers and other government officials involved in the separation and supervision of these children—raises the possibility of potential color-of-law violations. According to long-standing civil rights practice, the Justice Department investigates and prosecutes civil rights violations that take place “under color of law.”

Quote:All 50 states have statutes criminalizing child abuse; in Texas, where many of these children are being held, state law prohibits inflicting or failing to reasonably prevent “mental or emotional injury to a child that results in an observable and material impairment in the child's growth, development, or psychological functioning.” As a result, there may be a legal theory available that color-of-law violations could be brought based on the current activity, under the reasoning that child abuse is being committed “under color of” enforcing the immigration laws. This potential color-of-law exposure would be an expansion of how this provision has been used in the past. But separating a young child from a parent in a strange country, alone in government detention, with no information about when the child will ever see her parent or family again, is a severe penalty that may cause lasting physiological and/or psychological damage. And the government seems to be inflicting this not merely as an accidental byproduct of law enforcement but, instead, for the purpose of deterring migrant populations from seeking entry into the United States—or, in the most craven interpretation, to achieve a legislative goal.

Quote:The Cabinet secretary whose agents are implementing the policy denies its existence, even though we can see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears that it does. The individuals affected by this new policy are inside the United States, which means they unambiguously have constitutional rights. And the government has implemented the policy without adequately and humanely addressing the rights and needs of children—who cannot advocate for themselves—not to be detained, placed in custody without a parent, or sent to foster care without an understanding of when they will be relocated with their families.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/legal-consid...ies-border

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06-20-2018, 09:50 PM,
Post: #2
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Also
https://twitter.com/passantino/status/10...1172495361
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06-20-2018, 11:24 PM,
Post: #3
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Oh, and I forgot to list one of their claims:
  • That it is biblically compliant

Wtf
06-21-2018, 12:35 AM,
Post: #4
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Someone has to deal with the inevitable conclusion of DACA and sanctuary cities, and it won't ever be pretty. Especially with an unstable president.
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
06-21-2018, 12:42 AM,
Post: #5
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.
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06-21-2018, 01:44 AM,
Post: #6
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 12:42 AM)roo Wrote: It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.

So long as those camps aren't in your back yard and you can't hear the screams, right?
06-21-2018, 01:46 AM,
Post: #7
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 01:44 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 12:42 AM)roo Wrote: It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.

So long as those camps aren't in your back yard and you can't hear the screams, right?

Is that a requirement?  I figured I'd complain without seeing the facilities. If that's OK with you, that is.
06-21-2018, 02:33 AM,
Post: #8
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Clinton signed this into law.
Obama enforced it.
Now you bitch and moan.
If Trump wasn't enforcing the law you'd cry for his impeachment, fucking hypocrites.
06-21-2018, 03:19 AM,
Post: #9
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Uh-huh.
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06-21-2018, 03:36 AM,
Post: #10
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 02:33 AM)Kev Wrote: Clinton signed this into law.
Obama enforced it.
Now you bitch and moan.
If Trump wasn't enforcing the law you'd cry for his impeachment, fucking hypocrites.

Suck my dick from the back you disingenuous asshole.

Quote:The Obama administration did not have any kind of widespread practice of separating children from their parents. Trump's policy aims to prosecute every single illegal border crossing, including asylum-seekers. The government separates children from their parents or legal guardians because the adults have been referred for prosecution for illegal entry into the United States.
Quote:The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."
Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/?utm_term=.fb4c07d50f90
Quote:The Trump administration implemented this policy by choice and could end it by choice. No law or court ruling mandates family separations. In fact, during its first 15 months, the Trump administration released nearly 100,000 immigrants who were apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border, a total that includes more than 37,500 unaccompanied minors and more than 61,000 family members.
Quote:This is a question of Trump and his Cabinet choosing to enforce some laws over others. The legal landscape did not change between the time the Trump administration released nearly 100,000 immigrants during its first 15 months and the time the zero-tolerance policy took effect in April 2018.

What changed was the administration’s handling of these cases. Undocumented immigrant families seeking asylum previously were released and went into the civil court system, but now the parents are being detained and sent to criminal courts while their kids are resettled in the United States as though they were unaccompanied minors.
The government has limited resources and cannot prosecute every crime, so setting up a system that prioritizes the prosecution of some offenses over others is a policy choice. 

“During the Obama administration there was no policy in place that resulted in the systematic separation of families at the border, like we are now seeing under the Trump administration,” said Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute. “Our understanding is that generally parents were not prosecuted for illegal entry under President Obama. There may have been some separation if there was suspicion that the children were being trafficked or a claimed parent-child relationship did not actually exist. But nothing like the levels we are seeing today.”
The doublespeak coming from Trump and top administration officials on this issue is breathtaking, not only because of the sheer audacity of these claims but also because they keep being repeated without evidence. Immigrant families are being separated at the border not because of Democrats and not because some law forces this result, as Trump insists. They’re being separated because the Trump administration, under its zero-tolerance policy, is choosing to prosecute border-crossing adults for any offenses.

This includes illegal-entry misdemeanors, which are being prosecuted at a rate not seen in previous administrations. Because the act of crossing itself is now being treated as an offense worthy of prosecution, any family that enters the United States illegally is likely to end up separated. Nielsen may choose not to call this a “family separation policy,” but that’s precisely the effect it has.
Sessions, who otherwise owns up to what’s happening, has suggested that the Flores settlement and a court ruling are forcing his hand. They’re not. At heart, this is an issue of prosecutorial discretion: his discretion.
Quote:http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

Quote:Schlapp said the Trump administration’s policy of separating families is "the same way Barack Obama did it."
Quote:Obama’s immigration policy specifically sought to avoid breaking up families. While some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare, and occurred at a far lower rate than under Trump, where the practice flows from a zero tolerance approach to illegal border-crossings.
We rate this False.
06-21-2018, 03:57 AM,
Post: #11
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Well, that’s not what Fox News said, so…
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06-21-2018, 06:29 AM,
Post: #12
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 02:33 AM)Kev Wrote: Clinton signed this into law.
Obama enforced it.
Now you bitch and moan.
If Trump wasn't enforcing the law you'd cry for his impeachment, fucking hypocrites.

And there's the FoxNews showing...
That's just false.
06-21-2018, 06:30 AM,
Post: #13
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 01:46 AM)roo Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:44 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 12:42 AM)roo Wrote: It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.

So long as those camps aren't in your back yard and you can't hear the screams, right?

Is that a requirement?  I figured I'd complain without seeing the facilities. If that's OK with you, that is.

If only there were methods of showing images of places you'd never been before...
06-21-2018, 07:46 AM,
Post: #14
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-si...d=56029396

Quote:President Donald Trump, under growing pressure to act unilaterally to address the immigration crisis, Wednesday signed an executive order that he said would keep immigrant families at the border together.

The president's surprise decision comes after images of children separated from their parents erupted into a political firestorm. The Trump administration consistently said it had no choice but to separate families because of the law. Just last Friday the president said, "You can't do it through an executive order."

So I'm sure that the liberals are about to blast Trump for disobeying the law and demand that he be impeached.
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06-21-2018, 08:02 AM,
Post: #15
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 06:30 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:46 AM)roo Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:44 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 12:42 AM)roo Wrote: It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.

So long as those camps aren't in your back yard and you can't hear the screams, right?

Is that a requirement?  I figured I'd complain without seeing the facilities. If that's OK with you, that is.

If only there were methods of showing images of places you'd never been before...

http://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-c...ned-2018-5
06-21-2018, 08:03 AM,
Post: #16
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 02:33 AM)Kev Wrote: Clinton signed this into law.
Obama enforced it.
Now you bitch and moan.
If Trump wasn't enforcing the law you'd cry for his impeachment, fucking hypocrites.


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06-21-2018, 09:06 AM,
Post: #17
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 08:02 AM)Kev Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 06:30 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:46 AM)roo Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:44 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 12:42 AM)roo Wrote: It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.

So long as those camps aren't in your back yard and you can't hear the screams, right?

Is that a requirement?  I figured I'd complain without seeing the facilities. If that's OK with you, that is.

If only there were methods of showing images of places you'd never been before...

http://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-c...ned-2018-5

Yup. Gotta be careful. Obama significantly increased ICE activity over his predecessors. But did you see the part in that article where it outlined the difference in reasons WHY those kids were even there? The differences in behavior between previous administration policy and the current cesspool has been covered a couple of times already.
06-21-2018, 09:10 AM,
Post: #18
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 07:46 AM)Geesie Wrote: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-si...d=56029396

Quote:President Donald Trump, under growing pressure to act unilaterally to address the immigration crisis, Wednesday signed an executive order that he said would keep immigrant families at the border together.

The president's surprise decision comes after images of children separated from their parents erupted into a political firestorm. The Trump administration consistently said it had no choice but to separate families because of the law. Just last Friday the president said, "You can't do it through an executive order."

So I'm sure that the liberals are about to blast Trump for disobeying the law and demand that he be impeached.

Hold on now, buddy. Is this reversal to suggest that outrage and public opinion may have had an effect on policy? That’s crazy talk! Nobody who had an opinion on this was well enough informed to offer up anything useful!
06-21-2018, 09:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-21-2018, 09:15 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #19
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Wait, did he just pass the buck to Congress when he could just fucking end it? https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-...eparation/
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06-21-2018, 11:12 AM,
Post: #20
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 09:06 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 08:02 AM)Kev Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 06:30 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:46 AM)roo Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:44 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 12:42 AM)roo Wrote: It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.

So long as those camps aren't in your back yard and you can't hear the screams, right?

Is that a requirement?  I figured I'd complain without seeing the facilities. If that's OK with you, that is.

If only there were methods of showing images of places you'd never been before...

http://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-c...ned-2018-5

Yup. Gotta be careful. Obama significantly increased ICE activity over his predecessors. But did you see the part in that article where it outlined the difference in reasons WHY those kids were even there? The differences in behavior between previous administration policy and the current cesspool has been covered a couple of times already.

Yeah, Obama didn't arrest all the lawbreakers.
Trump is.
Course Trump isn't releasing any to child traffickers either.
06-21-2018, 11:23 AM,
Post: #21
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 06:30 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:46 AM)roo Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:44 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 12:42 AM)roo Wrote: It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.

So long as those camps aren't in your back yard and you can't hear the screams, right?

Is that a requirement?  I figured I'd complain without seeing the facilities. If that's OK with you, that is.

If only there were methods of showing images of places you'd never been before...

I don't understand.  Am I not righteous enough to oppose internment?
06-21-2018, 11:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-21-2018, 11:36 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #22
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Immigration apprehensions (border jumpers) are down. We're seeing less people trying to come in.

Internal apprehensions (arresting people who are already living in the US) are up. This admin is searching out those that it feels shouldn't be allowed to stay.

Prosecutions of both categories has increased tremendously.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...trump-her/

So where previously we'd just deport people this admin is pushing more and more through the courts. This is where the separation issue came about - by pushing more prosecutions to appear tough they mishandled the increase in detainees. Previous administrations had civil programs that would incarcerate one person of the family and the others we out and highly monitored, and had very high rates of participation (ie: not fleeing) and low rates of problems after convictions. The current admin did away with that and instead diverted that money in to apprehension programs. Gotta look tough and pump numbers. This administration is also digging deep to bolster numbers. Arresting foreign nationals with legal status in this country and using anything to push them out.

So... compared to the black president, #45 still looks like a pile of shit.*

* this even takes in to consideration that Obama's deportation numbers are inflated due to a change in reporting methods. Previously the straight catch and release deportations at the border were not included in reported numbers. Under the big O that was changed to be included in deportation numbers. Maybe he was trying to inflate his numbers? I dunno.
06-21-2018, 11:34 AM,
Post: #23
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
(06-21-2018, 11:23 AM)roo Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 06:30 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:46 AM)roo Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 01:44 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(06-21-2018, 12:42 AM)roo Wrote: It's too bad that the only thing we can do is complain about it.

So long as those camps aren't in your back yard and you can't hear the screams, right?

Is that a requirement?  I figured I'd complain without seeing the facilities. If that's OK with you, that is.

If only there were methods of showing images of places you'd never been before...

I don't understand.  Am I not righteous enough to oppose internment?

Is that what I said?
06-21-2018, 11:37 AM,
Post: #24
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
Is it? I'm not sure what you said.
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06-21-2018, 11:40 AM,
Post: #25
RE: It'll be like summer camp for the kids...
On that we're in agreement.
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