Begun this trade war has
06-16-2018, 12:58 AM,
Post: #26
RE: Begun this trade war has
Maybe if Canada imprisoned more of its population we could treat them more fairly.
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06-16-2018, 01:56 AM,
Post: #27
RE: Begun this trade war has
(06-16-2018, 12:58 AM)Gippy Wrote: Maybe if Canada imprisoned more of its population we could treat them more fairly.

We'll have to have some sort of 3/5 compromise for imprisoned moose.
06-16-2018, 07:19 AM,
Post: #28
RE: Begun this trade war has
(06-16-2018, 01:56 AM)Jehannum Wrote:
(06-16-2018, 12:58 AM)Gippy Wrote: Maybe if Canada imprisoned more of its population we could treat them more fairly.

We'll have to have some sort of 3/5 compromise for imprisoned moose.

It's Canada. Moose probably fall under some sex workers statutes.
06-16-2018, 07:44 AM,
Post: #29
RE: Begun this trade war has
(06-15-2018, 09:08 PM)Geesie Wrote:
(06-15-2018, 08:26 PM)roo Wrote:
(06-15-2018, 02:45 PM)Gippy Wrote: By reading that I’m supposed to think that I t’s all Canada laying tariffs on the US?

Quote:Trump tweeted, "Canada charges the U.S. a 270% tariff on Dairy Products! They didn’t tell you that, did they? Not fair to our farmers!"

That number is a reasonable estimate of Canada’s dairy tariffs, which are high by any standard. That said, the United States has recently run a sizable trade surplus with Canada in dairy products, driven by a strong business in a milk product that was unaffected by the high tariffs. Trump also glosses over the fact that the United States imposes its own trade barriers on certain American-made products.

The statement is basically accurate but needs clarification, so we rate it Mostly True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...canadas-2/

Yeah, there’s no doubt that there’s room for improvement, but this behavior like a petulant child and claiming the US as a victim is bullshit.

Yeah! Even when he's right, he's doing it wrong!

That is pretty accurate. There are real problems with many of our trade relationships but ham-fisted tariffs on politically opportune items are not the solution.

How can all of America see these things so clearly except for when it comes who they vote for? It's an outrage!
06-16-2018, 08:24 AM,
Post: #30
RE: Begun this trade war has
I blame Hillary.
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06-16-2018, 10:15 PM,
Post: #31
RE: Begun this trade war has
(06-15-2018, 10:00 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote: Milk is pretty cheap here

On what planet are you living? A gallon of milk at Wegmans just across the border is USD$1.79, but 4L of milk here (closest comparison by volume) is CAD$4.35. Cheese? Two pounds of old cheddar in Buffalo is about USD$5, while you'll pay about CAD$6 for a pound of cheese here.

Dairy is a helluva lot more expensive in Canada.
Yesterday, 01:04 AM, (This post was last modified: Yesterday, 01:08 AM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #32
RE: Begun this trade war has
Except the USA is actually paying for your dairy through taxes.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bruce-muir...91203.html

Quote:The critics of supply management do not factor these hidden taxpayer dollars into the cost of a litre of milk. In Canada that is not the case. There is no hidden subsidy provided by Canadian taxpayers to dairy farmers.
By comparison, U.S. subsidies to dairy producers represent about 40% of American dairy farmer incomes, when it reaches them. These subsidies come directly from taxpayers' pockets. Without that hidden support American dairy products would be much more costly for consumers, and much more expensive than the equivalent Canadian product.
Further, a 2009 report, "The Economic Impacts of Immigration on US Dairy Farms," written by Economics professors from Texas A & M University, suggests that US dairy is further subsidized by foreign workers, primarily Mexican, through lower wages paid to them than would be the case in Canada. In fact, they hypothesize that if all immigrant dairy labourers were barred from entry into the US, retail prices of milk would rise by 61%!
Supply management actually ensures the production of Canadian milk at reasonable rates when the total bill is counted. The fact that Canadian dairy farmers can make money when they receive only 21 cents of the cost of a $2.25 glass of milk in a restaurant speaks to their efficiency and productivity.

I'd rather choose to pay $5 up front for a quad of milk instead of trying to figure out what percentage of my taxes is going to subsidize unsustainable production and prices - no matter if I'm actually buying milk or not.
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Yesterday, 01:09 AM,
Post: #33
RE: Begun this trade war has
https://www.dairyfarmers.ca/what-we-do/s...-canadians
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Yesterday, 03:52 AM,
Post: #34
RE: Begun this trade war has
For as much as some praise the free market it is amazing how much tax money we funnel to businesses.
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Yesterday, 05:47 AM,
Post: #35
RE: Begun this trade war has
(Yesterday, 03:52 AM)Gippy Wrote: For as much as some praise the free market it is amazing how much tax money we funnel to businesses.

Totes. We should probably rethink that.
Yesterday, 11:06 AM,
Post: #36
RE: Begun this trade war has
(Yesterday, 05:47 AM)roo Wrote:
(Yesterday, 03:52 AM)Gippy Wrote: For as much as some praise the free market it is amazing how much tax money we funnel to businesses.

Totes. We should probably rethink that.

Or rethink how we use the term "free market."
Yesterday, 11:33 AM,
Post: #37
RE: Begun this trade war has
If folks are describing the current economy as free market, then yes.
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Yesterday, 12:31 PM,
Post: #38
RE: Begun this trade war has
DDEP MARKET CONSPIRACY
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Yesterday, 03:32 PM, (This post was last modified: Yesterday, 03:42 PM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #39
RE: Begun this trade war has
oop. Drug patents could be Canada's special weapon in U.S. trade dispute

Quote:"An eye for an eye won't work when one side is small and the other is large," he said. "When you're David and the other guy is Goliath, and you go after him or her symmetrically, you are not necessarily going to produce the outcome you want. What you must do, therefore, is retaliate asymmetrically."

And so Attaran is suggesting that Canada take aim at U.S. drug patents.

The U.S. holds more pharmaceutical patents and other intellectual property licences than any other country. But that strength could become a vulnerability if Canada took action to suspend American patents on Canadian soil. Canadian companies would then be able to produce those drugs.

"You hit us on tariffs, we hit you on patents," he said.

"You're trying to identify retaliatory actions that will prompt certain agents in the other country to press their government to fix the problem," said Gold.
He argues the strategy need not be limited to pharmaceuticals, but could include intellectual property rights on everything from music to airplane parts. The mechanisms would need to be worked out, but Gold said it could include special Canadian legislation to override U.S. patents in targeted areas.


Attaran believes the tool already exists in trade law governing drug patents. He points to a historical example: Back in the days before the 1989 Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, Ottawa routinely granted domestic drug companies the right to manufacture U.S. drugs — a practice that ended when the FTA and NAFTA were signed.

It just keeps getting better and better.
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Yesterday, 03:44 PM,
Post: #40
RE: Begun this trade war has
How Canada's supply management system works
It's been blamed for inflating food prices - but a lot of American producers wish they had something like it

Trump's fixation on 270% milk tariffs, FBI texts shows how he 'cherry-picks' truths to justify actions
'He takes that kernel of truth, he cherry-picks something — and it's repetition, repetition, repetition'
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Yesterday, 03:51 PM,
Post: #41
RE: Begun this trade war has
I think our motto for this war should be "you mess with the milk, you mess with the moose"
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Yesterday, 04:34 PM,
Post: #42
RE: Begun this trade war has
(Yesterday, 03:32 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote: It just keeps getting better and better.
Yeah, I do believe that that is an exceptionally poor choice of words.


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