Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
09-01-2017, 12:22 PM,
Post: #126
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...story.html
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
09-01-2017, 05:24 PM,
Post: #127
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
If you believe that violent anti fascism is equatable to now Nazis then you're dumb enough to believe just about anything.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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09-01-2017, 10:12 PM,
Post: #128
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
I put everyone who uses force to deprive others of freedom in a very similar bucket. You can't possibly believe that you and your alt left movement has the moral high ground. That's a pretty starchy perspective
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09-01-2017, 10:37 PM,
Post: #129
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
It's equally starchy to claim that Gippy speaks for as disparate a movement as antifa.
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09-02-2017, 02:10 AM,
Post: #130
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(09-01-2017, 10:12 PM)roo Wrote: I put everyone who uses force to deprive others of freedom in a very similar bucket.  You can't possibly believe that you and your alt left movement has the moral high ground.  That's a pretty starchy perspective

That you put punching Nazis on a plane with depriving freedom is laughable. It certainly sounds like you want a distinct right and wrong here. There's not. Using violence to push back against violence is not an oppressive action.
09-02-2017, 02:14 AM,
Post: #131
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Only as a defensive measure.
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09-02-2017, 06:46 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-02-2017, 06:47 AM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #132
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/01/goog...ng-system/

Looks like there's a tester system that I can run everyone's comments through to rate their toxicity. The results should be funny.
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
09-02-2017, 07:03 AM,
Post: #133
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Quote:The model defines a toxic comment as "a rude, disrespectful, or unreasonable comment that is likely to make you leave a discussion.
Not yet toxic enough.
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09-02-2017, 07:29 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-02-2017, 07:29 AM by roo.)
Post: #134
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(09-02-2017, 02:10 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(09-01-2017, 10:12 PM)roo Wrote: I put everyone who uses force to deprive others of freedom in a very similar bucket.  You can't possibly believe that you and your alt left movement has the moral high ground.  That's a pretty starchy perspective

That you put punching Nazis on a plane with depriving freedom is laughable. It certainly sounds like you want a distinct right and wrong here. There's not. Using violence to push back against violence is not an oppressive action.

It's not laughable, it's common sense.  You, sir, are advocating fascism as long as you get to be the ruling party.  That's not liberty and that's not democracy, that's a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power and forcible suppression of opposition.
09-02-2017, 03:36 PM,
Post: #135
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
That post had a lot of big words.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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09-02-2017, 04:02 PM,
Post: #136
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
I've said this before: when a traditionally violent group that advocates for the oppression of others is met with violence I'm neither surprised nor sorry.

Not will I be. Ever.

Nobody's freedom was infringed upon. And I'm not advocating for any rule against these assholes existing or having a voice. But I'll not cry one bit when assholes get their due.

While there is violence, only one side has yet to kill people for the last, oh, how many decades?

I'm more concerned about the guy who gets arrested for passing out constitutiona and law literature outside courthouses. Or cops who arrest nurses who block them from breaking the law. Or cops who allow white supremacists to fire weapons in to crowds and not get arrested.

Antifa is getting a lot of press for being against a violent organization and ideology. The push back here is truly fascinating.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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09-02-2017, 04:05 PM,
Post: #137
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
So the results, from this thread, based on post numbers for simplicity part 1 of 2. the comment was tested as-is with all quotes removed. posties were automatically converted to text
Title: 18%
#1 Roo: 78%
#2 Roo: 21%
#3 gruel: 4%
#4 Jeh: 39%
#5 Gip: 74%
#6 Gip: 30%
#7 Potardo: 23%
#8 Gip: 85%
#9 Roo: 82%
#10 Alien: 57%
#11 Gip: 24%
#12 Gip: 83%
#13 Gip: 98%
#14 Potardo: 62%
#15 Gip: 30%
#16 Alien: 3%
#17 Potardo: 61%
#18 Gip: 30%
#19 gruel: 97%
#20 Gip: 30%
#21 roo: 21%
#22 roo: 41%
#23 gruel: 10%
#24 Gip: 46%
#25 roo: 11%
#26 roo: 12%
#27 Gip: 48%
#28 Kev: 85%
#29 Gip: 33%
#30 Kev: 94%
#31 roo: 28%
#32 Gip: 70%
#33 Gip: 4%
#34 kev: 22%
#35 Gip: 81%
#36 Gip: 46%
#37 kev: 24%
#38 Gip: 71%
#39 kev: 11%
#40 Gip: 54%
#41 roo: 21%
#42 roo: 39%
#43 Gip: 39%
#44 Gip: 7%
#45 Gip: 13%
#46 Gip: <video link>
#47 Jeh: 61%
#48 roo: 22%
#49 roo: 26%
#50 Alien: 7%
#51 Alien: 35%
#52 gruel: 49%
#53 Kev: 12%
#54 gruel: 56%
#55 Gip: 48%
#56 Alien: 8%
#57 kev: 15%
#58 Gip: 82%
#59 gruel: 16%
#60 gruel: 56%
#61 Alien: 30%
#62 gruel: 9%
#63 Gip: 12%
#64 Gip: 39%
#65 Alien: 46%
#66 Jeh: 10%
#67 Alien: 18%
#68 Jeh: 48%
#69 Gip: 46%
#70 Gip: 63%
#71 potardo: 21%
#72 Gip: 39%
#73 kev: 46%
#74 Gip: 70%
#75 roo: 78%
09-02-2017, 04:33 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-02-2017, 04:34 PM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #138
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Part 2 of 2:
#76 roo: 39%
#77 Gip: 24%
#78 kev: 4%
#79 Gip: 20%
#80 potardo: 9%
#81 roo: 7%
#82 potardo: 23%
#83 Gip: 64%
#84 Gip: 15%
#85 Gip: 11%
#86 gruel: 88%
#87 roo: 64%
#88 gruel: 58%
#89 potardo: 2%
#90 gruel: 39%
#91 potardo: 12%
#92 Gip: 92%
#93 Gip: 16%
#94 pudds: 97%
#95 Gip: 30%
#96 Gip: 32%
#97 jeh: 14%
#98 jeh: 1%
#99 roo: 61%
#100 roo: 78%
#101 Kev: 25%
#102 jeh: 6%
#103 Gip: 5%
#104 potardo: <image>
#105 Gip: 8%
#106 Gip: 12%
#107 Gip: 24%
#108 gruel: 64%
#109 Gip: 2%
#110 gruel: 2%
#111 roo: 7%
#112 Gip: 70%
#113 Gip: 92%
#114 Alien: 8%
#115 potardo: 40%
#116 Alien: 11%
#117 potardo: 32%
#118 Alien: 98%
#119 potardo: 34%
#120 jeh: 23%
#121 potardo: 21%
#122 Alien: 28%
#123 Gip 74%
#124 gruel: 39%
#125 Gip: 81%
#126 potardo: <link>
#127 Gip: 78%
#128 roo: 39%
#129: gruel: 7%
#130 Gip: 53%
#131 Alien: 3%
#132 potardo: 11%
#133 gruel: 17%
#134 roo: 31%
#135 gip: 5%
#136 Gip: 64%
#137 potardo: <part1>

The algorithm doesn't seem to detect sarcasm well and can't really pull contect form other posts, otherwise some people would score a teensy bit higher i suspect.
09-02-2017, 04:49 PM,
Post: #139
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Average:
Alien: 27%
Gippy: 44%
agedgruel: 38%
Jehhannahn: 25%
Kevin: 34%
FuturDreamz: 27%
Puddlemonkey: 97%
Roo: 38%

Top 5 most toxic comments:
#118 Alien 98%
#13 Gippy 98%
#94 PuddleMonkey 97%
#19 agedgruel 97%
#30 Kevin 94%

Highest toxicity for each member:
#118 Alien 98%
#13 gippy 98%
#19 agedgruel 97%
#95 puddleMonkey 97%
#30 Kevin 94%
#9 roo 82%
#14 FuturDreamz 62%
#47 Jeh 61%
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
09-02-2017, 09:03 PM,
Post: #140
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Really? Fascinating.
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09-02-2017, 09:04 PM,
Post: #141
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(09-02-2017, 04:02 PM)Gippy Wrote: I've said this before: when a traditionally violent group that advocates for the oppression of others is met with violence I'm neither surprised nor sorry.

Not will I be. Ever.

Nobody's freedom was infringed upon. And I'm not advocating for any rule against these assholes existing or having a voice. But I'll not cry one bit when assholes get their due.

While there is violence, only one side has yet to kill people for the last, oh, how many decades?

I'm more concerned about the guy who gets arrested for passing out constitutiona and law literature outside courthouses. Or cops who arrest nurses who block them from breaking the law. Or cops who allow white supremacists to fire weapons in to crowds and not get arrested.

Antifa is getting a lot of press for being against a violent organization and ideology. The push back here is truly fascinating.
Well said, Gippy.
09-03-2017, 12:13 AM,
Post: #142
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(09-02-2017, 03:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: That post had a lot of big words.

It's the wikipedia definition of fascism.  I thought you'd want to know that you're advocating text book fascism.
09-03-2017, 01:59 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-03-2017, 01:59 AM by Alien.)
Post: #143
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Where does nationalism fit into it?
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09-03-2017, 02:09 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-03-2017, 02:20 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #144
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Quote:The reality — which is underdiscussed but essential to an understanding of our current situation — is that the civil rights work of Dr. King and other leaders was loudly opposed by overt racists and quietly sabotaged by cautious moderates. We believe that current moderates sincerely want to condemn racism and to see an end to its effects. The problem is that this desire is outweighed by the comfort of their current circumstances and a perception of themselves as above some of the messy implications of fighting for liberation. This is nothing new. In fact, Dr. King’s 1963 “Letter From Birmingham Jail” is as relevant today as it was then. He wrote in part:

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action.”

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/op...=0&referer
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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09-03-2017, 02:15 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-03-2017, 02:16 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #145
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(09-03-2017, 12:13 AM)roo Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 03:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: That post had a lot of big words.

It's the wikipedia definition of fascism.  I thought you'd want to know that you're advocating text book fascism.

Really? You can loosely correlate 1 or 2 of my ideas/arguments and thus that wide brush paints over everything. Got it.
09-03-2017, 03:09 AM,
Post: #146
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Also. I'm curious to see that comment toxicity algorithm.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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09-03-2017, 04:01 AM,
Post: #147
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Please, do go on.
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09-03-2017, 10:38 PM,
Post: #148
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(09-03-2017, 02:15 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(09-03-2017, 12:13 AM)roo Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 03:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: That post had a lot of big words.

It's the wikipedia definition of fascism.  I thought you'd want to know that you're advocating text book fascism.

Really? You can loosely correlate 1 or 2 of my ideas/arguments and thus that wide brush paints over everything. Got it.

If the truth hurts, say ouch.
09-03-2017, 10:39 PM,
Post: #149
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(09-03-2017, 01:59 AM)Alien Wrote: Where does nationalism fit into it?

The entire discourse is about society and the nations in which we kive.  How does it not?
09-03-2017, 10:41 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-03-2017, 10:42 PM by roo.)
Post: #150
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(09-03-2017, 02:09 AM)Gippy Wrote:
Quote:The reality — which is underdiscussed but essential to an understanding of our current situation — is that the civil rights work of Dr. King and other leaders was loudly opposed by overt racists and quietly sabotaged by cautious moderates. We believe that current moderates sincerely want to condemn racism and to see an end to its effects. The problem is that this desire is outweighed by the comfort of their current circumstances and a perception of themselves as above some of the messy implications of fighting for liberation. This is nothing new. In fact, Dr. King’s 1963 “Letter From Birmingham Jail” is as relevant today as it was then. He wrote in part:

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action.”

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/op...=0&referer

This is written with the presumption that support of violent bullies is the same as fighting for liberation, and us non-fascists think that's a stretch of the imagination.


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