Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
08-18-2017, 08:24 AM,
Post: #76
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-17-2017, 11:45 PM)agedgruel Wrote: Rights are not absolute. Your right to swing your fist ends somewhere short of my nose. Your right to shout "FIRE!" does not extend to a crowded building (assuming no fire exists). Your right to gather as a group and yell things at people in public does not extend to advocating for the extermination of people.

I'm sorry if you're having a hard time grasping this.

Me? It is I who am sorry that you are having a hard time grasping this.  A parade stops well short of your nose.

Is your position that scary demonstrations are literally what incites a riot?  Don't make me guess, spell it out for me.
08-18-2017, 08:33 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-18-2017, 08:38 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #77
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
We've been lucky. There haven't been any real "help help I'm being oppressed" events that I can remember.

We've had lots of alarms that people THINK their free speech rights are being violated. Nothing real (caveat: nothing NEW that's real. Lots of long standing struggles still endure). But if the actual event where we come to the brink and analyze our response is that white supremacists/nazi/fascist/alt-right were given their rights, but a response by the people shut them up. Yeah, I'm ok with that.

It feels to me like so far we're passing the free speech test. The government allows a lot (arguably too much when money counts as free speech). But the people stand up when they've had enough of a bad thing. Look at the build up to gay marriage. Lots of noise, marches, protests and glitter. No one got shut down. Protests against war. Same thing (minus the glitter). Protests against government over overreach (ie: the Bundys, Healthcare). Protests against worldwide government collusion (G8). Equal rights (BLM). Varying levels of participation, vigor, privilege, and property damage. But whatever side those were on, the only event that truly pushed the boundaries were in response to Nazis.

Did I miss a relevant example? (again, asking for a friend)
Has something tyrannical happened that I've missed? As much as I loathe Trump, he hasn't passed in to tyranny.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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08-18-2017, 08:39 AM,
Post: #78
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 08:33 AM)Gippy Wrote: We've been lucky. There haven't been any real "help help I'm being oppressed" events that I can remember.

We've had lots of alarms that people THINK their free speech rights are being violated. Nothing real (caveat: nothing NEW that's real. Lots of long standing struggles still endure). But if the actual event where we come to the brink and analyze our response is that white supremacists/nazi/fascist/alt-right were given their rights, but a response by the people shut them up. Yeah, I'm ok with that.

It feels to me like so far we're passing the free speech test. The government allows a lot (arguably too much when money counts as free speech). But the people stand up when they've had enough of a bad thing. Look at the build up to gay marriage. Lots of noise, marches, protests and glitter. No one got shut down. Protests against war. Same thing (minus the glitter). Protests against government over overreach (ie: the Bundys, Healthcare). Protests against worldwide government collusion (G8). Equal rights (BLM). Varying levels of participation, vigor, privilege, and property damage. But whatever side those were on, the only event that truly pushed the boundaries were in response to Nazis.

Did I miss a relevant example? (again, asking for a friend)
Has something tyrannical happened that I've missed? As much as I loathe Trump, he hasn't passed in to tyranny.

I wonder if you even see what you just outlined by your list of examples.
08-18-2017, 08:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-18-2017, 08:50 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #79
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Tell me.
I see lots of protesting. Some violent, some peaceful. All happened without government crackdown. Law enforcement intervention when necessary, prosecution where appropriate. But not tyranny.

Does Waco pass the bar for tyranny? I forgot about that when I wrote the post.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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08-18-2017, 10:32 AM,
Post: #80
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 08:19 AM)roo Wrote:
(08-17-2017, 11:50 PM)Gippy Wrote: Okay, that's pedantic. That's fine, but there's a longer definition to Normalization: the process of bringing or returning something to a normal condition or state. So there's no perversion of the definition. Even in respect to database normalization that isn't returning to a state, that's putting it in a state. So... Shrug

I'm just pointing it out, you don't have to defend it or call me a pedant.  You may continue to use the new definition, that's your call.

(08-17-2017, 11:50 PM)Gippy Wrote: Nobody is taking away anything from these idiots. They're allowed to speak. They were allowed to assemble. The government did the right thing in allowing them to gather and hold a rally. There was no institutional repression of their ideas. THE PEOPLE gathered and responded to what they determined was a threat to the safety and to their society. And the police didn't clear the area until after the violence started. Again, no institutional repression of ideas (I can't wait 'till one of you latches on to my distinction of "institutional" and thinks that they're carrying a football to the goal line). We have plenty of history to look at how the racist and fascist ideals play out. Its not like the response to them comes from nowhere. The white supremacist message is backed by strategy of intimidation and oppressive strength and its long term vision leads to death.

That we're willing to debate someone's right to protest for their desire to oppress someone is great. But at some point someone's gotta tell them no. Tell them that they're not wanted. That they're the fringe and against the American ideal.

Salute

I think we're on the same page with this bit.  They can do their thing.  I agree that we tell them no, that's even codified in law.  All men are created equal and all that.

I think where this topic gets interesting, to me at least, is that it's a given that Nazis are in direct conflict with the nation's.  It should also be a given that good leaders condemn them. It comes as no surprise (and hopefully everyone else) to me that Trumpy Bear is fucking it up. But in spite of all of these givens -- and even in spite of the smug satisfaction of knowing that some idiot skinhead got his teeth kicked in for being an asshole -- many in the country are so concerned with branding themselves as anti-nazi that they're shrugging off the foundational ideals of their country in the process.

Not for nothing, but I'm unwilling to submit to tyranny because my frans on Twitter are afraid of an obscene frat party.

Plus, don't forget, the alt-right had a permit to protest and were abiding by regulations that the city demanded - which kept them out of the way and somewhat easier to ignore. The counter protestors had no such permit, and were deliberately blocking streets.
08-18-2017, 10:55 AM,
Post: #81
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 08:33 AM)Gippy Wrote: We've been lucky. There haven't been any real "help help I'm being oppressed" events that I can remember.

We've had lots of alarms that people THINK their free speech rights are being violated. Nothing real (caveat: nothing NEW that's real. Lots of long standing struggles still endure). But if the actual event where we come to the brink and analyze our response is that white supremacists/nazi/fascist/alt-right were given their rights, but a response by the people shut them up. Yeah, I'm ok with that.

It feels to me like so far we're passing the free speech test. The government allows a lot (arguably too much when money counts as free speech). But the people stand up when they've had enough of a bad thing. Look at the build up to gay marriage. Lots of noise, marches, protests and glitter. No one got shut down. Protests against war. Same thing (minus the glitter). Protests against government over overreach (ie: the Bundys, Healthcare). Protests against worldwide government collusion (G8). Equal rights (BLM). Varying levels of participation, vigor, privilege, and property damage. But whatever side those were on, the only event that truly pushed the boundaries were in response to Nazis.

Did I miss a relevant example? (again, asking for a friend)
Has something tyrannical happened that I've missed? As much as I loathe Trump, he hasn't passed in to tyranny.

I may not be paying attention, but I don't recall violent counter demonstrations at these.  Perhaps we can agree that demonstrations aren't the problem.
08-18-2017, 11:05 AM,
Post: #82
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Someone recently pointed out that the Nazi (National Socialists), The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, The Italian Socialist Party, and even the North Korean Government all started out as far-left and then turned everything they touched to dust and war. Idunno, there seems to be a pattern of the left turning hostile and then wreaking things for everybody.
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
08-18-2017, 11:12 AM,
Post: #83
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 11:05 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: Someone recently pointed out that the Nazi (National Socialists), The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, The Italian Socialist Party, and even the North Korean Government all started out as far-left and then turned everything they touched to dust and war. Idunno, there seems to be a pattern of the left turning hostile and then wreaking things for everybody.

Oaf
08-18-2017, 11:13 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-18-2017, 11:14 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #84
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 10:55 AM)roo Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 08:33 AM)Gippy Wrote: We've been lucky. There haven't been any real "help help I'm being oppressed" events that I can remember.

We've had lots of alarms that people THINK their free speech rights are being violated. Nothing real (caveat: nothing NEW that's real. Lots of long standing struggles still endure). But if the actual event where we come to the brink and analyze our response is that white supremacists/nazi/fascist/alt-right were given their rights, but a response by the people shut them up. Yeah, I'm ok with that.

It feels to me like so far we're passing the free speech test. The government allows a lot (arguably too much when money counts as free speech). But the people stand up when they've had enough of a bad thing. Look at the build up to gay marriage. Lots of noise, marches, protests and glitter. No one got shut down. Protests against war. Same thing (minus the glitter). Protests against government over overreach (ie: the Bundys, Healthcare). Protests against worldwide government collusion (G8). Equal rights (BLM). Varying levels of participation, vigor, privilege, and property damage. But whatever side those were on, the only event that truly pushed the boundaries were in response to Nazis.

Did I miss a relevant example? (again, asking for a friend)
Has something tyrannical happened that I've missed? As much as I loathe Trump, he hasn't passed in to tyranny.

I may not be paying attention, but I don't recall violent counter demonstrations at these.  Perhaps we can agree that demonstrations aren't the problem.

That's part of my point. None of those garnered counter protests of note. The counter protest that pushed back against a movement, that has us questioning free speech, was against white supremacy. Not bad.
08-18-2017, 12:15 PM,
Post: #85
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
The plot thickens...
Though this was never one of my points, potardo seemed pretty stuck on it. But I suppose he'll nit pick the subtle geography of it.

Quote:The Washington Post Fact Checker published a document in an earlier fact-check showing that counter-protesters had indeed acquired an official permit for Saturday, when the Unite the Right march was scheduled.

The permit was issued to Walt Heinecke, an associate professor of educational research, statistics and evaluation at the University of Virginia’s Curry School of Education. The "special events certificate of approval" for a public demonstration at two parks in Charlottesville, McGuffey Park and Justice Park. Those are located within one and two blocks, respectively, of Emancipation Park, the location of a Robert E. Lee statue and the destination for the Unite the Right march. The certificate covers Saturday, Aug. 12, from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...r-protest/
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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08-18-2017, 02:45 PM,
Post: #86
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Stunning. The Mango Menace lying his ass off and/or getting his truth from Faux News. Again.
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08-18-2017, 09:02 PM,
Post: #87
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 11:13 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 10:55 AM)roo Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 08:33 AM)Gippy Wrote: We've been lucky. There haven't been any real "help help I'm being oppressed" events that I can remember.

We've had lots of alarms that people THINK their free speech rights are being violated. Nothing real (caveat: nothing NEW that's real. Lots of long standing struggles still endure). But if the actual event where we come to the brink and analyze our response is that white supremacists/nazi/fascist/alt-right were given their rights, but a response by the people shut them up. Yeah, I'm ok with that.

It feels to me like so far we're passing the free speech test. The government allows a lot (arguably too much when money counts as free speech). But the people stand up when they've had enough of a bad thing. Look at the build up to gay marriage. Lots of noise, marches, protests and glitter. No one got shut down. Protests against war. Same thing (minus the glitter). Protests against government over overreach (ie: the Bundys, Healthcare). Protests against worldwide government collusion (G8). Equal rights (BLM). Varying levels of participation, vigor, privilege, and property damage. But whatever side those were on, the only event that truly pushed the boundaries were in response to Nazis.

Did I miss a relevant example? (again, asking for a friend)
Has something tyrannical happened that I've missed? As much as I loathe Trump, he hasn't passed in to tyranny.

I may not be paying attention, but I don't recall violent counter demonstrations at these.  Perhaps we can agree that demonstrations aren't the problem.

That's part of my point. None of those garnered counter protests of note. The counter protest that pushed back against a movement, that has us questioning free speech, was against white supremacy. Not bad.

There's the rub: using violence to silence ideas is the sort of bullying fuels tyranny.  The bullies who attacked demonstrators are criminals. It's that simple.  It's not a criminal activity to demonstrate, it's criminal to assault and kill others for their beliefs.

The other problem is that no one knows who threw the first punch.  Sure, one might argue that the counter protesters picked a fight, and one might argue the torch bearers were trolling for conflict all long. I think they're all guilty.  I don't want any of those idiots making decisions in my country.  It's not that I'm sympathetic to the Nazis, it's that I'm unwilling to relinquish liberty because of some dumb street brawl.
08-18-2017, 10:14 PM,
Post: #88
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
If punching Nazis is wrong, I don't want to be right.
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08-18-2017, 10:20 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-18-2017, 10:22 PM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #89
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 12:15 PM)Gippy Wrote: The plot thickens...
Though this was never one of my points, potardo seemed pretty stuck on it. But I suppose he'll nit pick the subtle geography of it.

Quote:The Washington Post Fact Checker published a document in an earlier fact-check showing that counter-protesters had indeed acquired an official permit for Saturday, when the Unite the Right march was scheduled.

The permit was issued to Walt Heinecke, an associate professor of educational research, statistics and evaluation at the University of Virginia’s Curry School of Education. The "special events certificate of approval" for a public demonstration at two parks in Charlottesville, McGuffey Park and Justice Park. Those are located within one and two blocks, respectively, of Emancipation Park, the location of a Robert E. Lee statue and the destination for the Unite the Right march. The certificate covers Saturday, Aug. 12, from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...r-protest/
There's a very important section on that permit you quoted:
   
They did not abide by the requirements of the permit.
08-18-2017, 10:25 PM,
Post: #90
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
Blocking the street is the moral equivalence of advocating genocide. Got it.
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08-18-2017, 10:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-18-2017, 10:58 PM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #91
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 10:25 PM)agedgruel Wrote: Blocking the street is the moral equivalence of advocating genocide. Got it.

Inconvenience trumps words every time. In fact, it's highly possible that the driver was neutral or leaned to the left but was enraged by the road being blocked due to personal reasons. If I was in a hurry and had some anger issues, I might respond to the blockade in a similar fashion - no matter who was protesting. Or at least try to force them to get out of my way no matter how risky.


And like I said, The right protest was organized and located so that it would be would of the way and could be largely ignored by most people. The left protest clearly did not abide by the regulations set by their permit and acted as an obstruction to people that had no interest at all in either protest.
08-18-2017, 11:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-18-2017, 11:38 PM by Gippy.)
Post: #92
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 10:54 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 10:25 PM)agedgruel Wrote: Blocking the street is the moral equivalence of advocating genocide. Got it.
Inconvenience trumps words every time. In fact, it's highly possible that the driver was neutral or leaned to the left but was enraged by the road being blocked due to personal reasons. If I was in a hurry and had some anger issues, I might respond to the blockade in a similar fashion - no matter who was protesting. Or at least try to force them to get out of my way no matter how risky.

You're engaging in willful ignorance now.
Or you're a raging asshole. You think being in a hurry at all fits in to the scenario of running someone over?
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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08-18-2017, 11:34 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-18-2017, 11:35 PM by Gippy.)
Post: #93
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
More plot thickening.
Daily Stormer can't get hosting or DNS registration in the US any more.
They were also denied by some Russian hosting companies.

Lots of companies are responding with hate speech clauses in their ToS. My company included (to which I agree).

Does this amount to the suppression of ideas if they can't find a venue to distribute their hate speech? Key distinction here: they're not being told what they can and cannot say, but private companies are telling them that their services are not to be used for hate speech and thus are unavailable as a publication mechanism.

I eagerly await the potardance...
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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08-19-2017, 12:47 AM,
Post: #94
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 10:54 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 10:25 PM)agedgruel Wrote: Blocking the street is the moral equivalence of advocating genocide. Got it.

Inconvenience trumps words every time. In fact, it's highly possible that the driver was neutral or leaned to the left but was enraged by the road being blocked due to personal reasons. If I was in a hurry and had some anger issues, I might respond to the blockade in a similar fashion - no matter who was protesting. Or at least try to force them to get out of my way no matter how risky.


And like I said, The right protest was organized and located so that it would be would of the way and could be largely ignored by most people. The left protest clearly did not abide by the regulations set by their permit and acted as an obstruction to people that had no interest at all in either protest.


You're a special kind of stupid.
08-19-2017, 12:47 AM,
Post: #95
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 09:02 PM)roo Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 11:13 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 10:55 AM)roo Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 08:33 AM)Gippy Wrote: We've been lucky. There haven't been any real "help help I'm being oppressed" events that I can remember.

We've had lots of alarms that people THINK their free speech rights are being violated. Nothing real (caveat: nothing NEW that's real. Lots of long standing struggles still endure). But if the actual event where we come to the brink and analyze our response is that white supremacists/nazi/fascist/alt-right were given their rights, but a response by the people shut them up. Yeah, I'm ok with that.

It feels to me like so far we're passing the free speech test. The government allows a lot (arguably too much when money counts as free speech). But the people stand up when they've had enough of a bad thing. Look at the build up to gay marriage. Lots of noise, marches, protests and glitter. No one got shut down. Protests against war. Same thing (minus the glitter). Protests against government over overreach (ie: the Bundys, Healthcare). Protests against worldwide government collusion (G8). Equal rights (BLM). Varying levels of participation, vigor, privilege, and property damage. But whatever side those were on, the only event that truly pushed the boundaries were in response to Nazis.

Did I miss a relevant example? (again, asking for a friend)
Has something tyrannical happened that I've missed? As much as I loathe Trump, he hasn't passed in to tyranny.

I may not be paying attention, but I don't recall violent counter demonstrations at these.  Perhaps we can agree that demonstrations aren't the problem.

That's part of my point. None of those garnered counter protests of note. The counter protest that pushed back against a movement, that has us questioning free speech, was against white supremacy. Not bad.

There's the rub: using violence to silence ideas is the sort of bullying fuels tyranny.  The bullies who attacked demonstrators are criminals. It's that simple.  It's not a criminal activity to demonstrate, it's criminal to assault and kill others for their beliefs.

The other problem is that no one knows who threw the first punch.  Sure, one might argue that the counter protesters picked a fight, and one might argue the torch bearers were trolling for conflict all long. I think they're all guilty.  I don't want any of those idiots making decisions in my country.  It's not that I'm sympathetic to the Nazis, it's that I'm unwilling to relinquish liberty because of some dumb street brawl.

At the risk of really dragging this out:

I've got a line in my brain where this opposition wasn't the silencing, nor the attempt to silence, the white supremacists. Silencing isn't the goal in opposition like this. It is sending a message.

It is splitting hairs, I know, but at no point has the opposition to white supremacy sought to outright silence them. It is setting an example of what's wrong and what the repercussions are. Maybe that's just as bad. Due to the tactics it probably falls under intimidation. But, once again, I'm not opposed to a violent reaction to a violent movement.
08-19-2017, 12:49 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-19-2017, 12:50 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #96
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 10:20 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 12:15 PM)Gippy Wrote: The plot thickens...
Though this was never one of my points, potardo seemed pretty stuck on it. But I suppose he'll nit pick the subtle geography of it.

Quote:The Washington Post Fact Checker published a document in an earlier fact-check showing that counter-protesters had indeed acquired an official permit for Saturday, when the Unite the Right march was scheduled.

The permit was issued to Walt Heinecke, an associate professor of educational research, statistics and evaluation at the University of Virginia’s Curry School of Education. The "special events certificate of approval" for a public demonstration at two parks in Charlottesville, McGuffey Park and Justice Park. Those are located within one and two blocks, respectively, of Emancipation Park, the location of a Robert E. Lee statue and the destination for the Unite the Right march. The certificate covers Saturday, Aug. 12, from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...r-protest/
There's a very important section on that permit you quoted:

They did not abide by the requirements of the permit.

You're so predictable.
Again. You're just flat out ignoring the facts. They were pushed in to the street after the violence broke out. Their demonstration alone didn't block that street. They were following orders to disperse.
08-19-2017, 01:30 AM,
Post: #97
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 11:31 PM)Gippy Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 10:54 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote:
(08-18-2017, 10:25 PM)agedgruel Wrote: Blocking the street is the moral equivalence of advocating genocide. Got it.
Inconvenience trumps words every time. In fact, it's highly possible that the driver was neutral or leaned to the left but was enraged by the road being blocked due to personal reasons. If I was in a hurry and had some anger issues, I might respond to the blockade in a similar fashion - no matter who was protesting. Or at least try to force them to get out of my way no matter how risky.

You're engaging in willful ignorance now.
Or you're a raging asshole. You think being in a hurry at all fits in to the scenario of running someone over?

The same guy who used his blackberry as a substitute for visual navigation in the fog seeks a justification for running someone over?

NAH.
08-19-2017, 01:30 AM,
Post: #98
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 10:14 PM)agedgruel Wrote: If punching Nazis is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Salute
08-19-2017, 07:46 AM,
Post: #99
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-19-2017, 12:47 AM)Gippy Wrote: At the risk of really dragging this out:

I've got a line in my brain where this opposition wasn't the silencing, nor the attempt to silence, the white supremacists. Silencing isn't the goal in opposition like this. It is sending a message.

It is splitting hairs, I know, but at no point has the opposition to white supremacy sought to outright silence them. It is setting an example of what's wrong and what the repercussions are. Maybe that's just as bad. Due to the tactics it probably falls under intimidation. But, once again, I'm not opposed to a violent reaction to a violent movement.

I think you know that bullying people into silence is wrong, but you are willing to make a special exception for groupus of people that you hate. I disagree with that philosophy, I think you're aware.  Mainly because I don't want some other mob to do it to me or anyone else.

In fairness, I've suggested turning a blind eye toward gang violence in the past.  I suppose this is along the lines.  A bunch of idiots are willing to kill each other.  OK, that saves the rest of us some trouble. It feels a whole lot more selfish than just.
08-19-2017, 07:47 AM,
Post: #100
RE: Why do people get upset when fratboys with tiki torches assemble?
(08-18-2017, 10:14 PM)agedgruel Wrote: If punching Nazis is wrong, I don't want to be right.

How many Nazis have you punched?


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