The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
03-26-2017, 03:11 AM,
Post: #26
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-25-2017, 01:29 AM)Jehannum Wrote:
(03-24-2017, 02:45 PM)Gippy Wrote: I don't get the argument against clean energy. It is new jobs. it SHOULD be less pollution (though battery tech now is still kinda dirty to make). And OMG what if we actually make the world a better place in the process?

I'm with you and Schwarzenegger on the Pascal's Wager portion of clean energy.

Plus, my power bill is $7.88 a month.

This is now then very on point:

http://www.solarcity.com/newsroom/press/...violations
03-26-2017, 03:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-26-2017, 03:18 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #27
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
Why don't I just quote the Constitution since that is a reasonable thing that we should be aspiring to.

Quote:We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

If we just consider that and the spirit of our country we should be striving for the best possible solution. Benefits of the many over the profits of a few. Science should hopefully fit in to create informed decisions. When some refuse scientific evidence because it doesn't fit in with their political or economic goals then we have this idiotic debate that we find ourselves in now. If the climate deniers would just flat out say that their concerns are with their donations and/or corporate profits then, well, I guess they'd have a harder time with public opinion now, wouldn't they?
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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03-26-2017, 03:18 AM,
Post: #28
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 02:55 AM)more or less Wrote: "As presented in class, the best definition of the role of government in political economics is that governments primary function is the ________________ of _________ resources."

Time is up, please turn in your tests.  There will be only a moderated curve scale for this exam.
03-26-2017, 03:20 AM,
Post: #29
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 03:18 AM)Gippy Wrote: Why don't I just quote the Constitution since that is a reasonable thing that we should be aspiring to.


Quote:We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

If we just consider that and the spirit of our country we should be striving for the best possible solution. Benefits of the many over the profits of a few. Science should hopefully fit in to create informed decisions. When some refuse scientific evidence because it doesn't fit in with their political or economic goals then we have this idiotic debate that we find ourselves in now. If the climate deniers would just flat out say that their concerns are with their donations and/or corporate profits then, well, I guess they'd have a harder time with public opinion now, wouldn't they?

Pffft, "spirit" he says.  ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION.
03-26-2017, 03:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-26-2017, 03:24 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #30
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 03:18 AM)more or less Wrote:
(03-26-2017, 02:55 AM)more or less Wrote: "As presented in class, the best definition of the role of government in political economics is that governments primary function is the ________________ of _________ resources."

Time is up, please turn in your tests.  There will be only a moderated curve scale for this exam.

I must admit defeat, then, 'cause I can't get it down to that simple a level.
But I'm sure you've been preparing to tell me how I'm wrong, so just pick what you think I would have said and tell me why its wrong.
03-26-2017, 03:25 AM,
Post: #31
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 03:20 AM)more or less Wrote:
(03-26-2017, 03:18 AM)Gippy Wrote: Why don't I just quote the Constitution since that is a reasonable thing that we should be aspiring to.



Quote:We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

If we just consider that and the spirit of our country we should be striving for the best possible solution. Benefits of the many over the profits of a few. Science should hopefully fit in to create informed decisions. When some refuse scientific evidence because it doesn't fit in with their political or economic goals then we have this idiotic debate that we find ourselves in now. If the climate deniers would just flat out say that their concerns are with their donations and/or corporate profits then, well, I guess they'd have a harder time with public opinion now, wouldn't they?

Pffft, "spirit" he says.  ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION.

I'm afraid I don't know where you want to go with this argument.
03-26-2017, 03:29 AM,
Post: #32
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
It's easy. Just think of what can possibly go wrong in an "anarchistic utopia"
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
03-26-2017, 03:36 AM,
Post: #33
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
OK, go back and read the HINT and focus on the last sentence.

What is the first assumption being made about government intervention in the private sector?  A failure of what leads to governments need to intervene to create what?
03-26-2017, 03:53 AM,
Post: #34
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 03:29 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: It's easy. Just think of what can possibly go wrong in an "anarchistic utopia"

Shitbirds like you never shut up?
03-26-2017, 03:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-26-2017, 03:54 AM by more or less.)
Post: #35
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
It's also imperative you understand that the public sector and the private sector are "things" - otherwise known as structural concepts - before you have the traction to answer the question.

You do at least follow public sector versus private sector, yes?  I already know you have econ 101 down. Mostly. Somewhat.
03-26-2017, 03:55 AM,
Post: #36
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
Unstructured communities start to break down when they have more than about 150 members (which is the number some clever minds have figured out to be the maximum number of people a single person can really know at one time). After 150 members a society will eventually form a division of labor structure that includes a division tasked with keep track of and guiding the other divisions. First you'd have kings and nobles that (at exorbitant fees) performed minor administrative tasks for a village that otherwise was self maintaining (eg, if Barry saw young Johnathan stealing his vegetables he'd talk to John's father Michael at the pub the next day, who would give John a stern talking to and make him pay Barry back somehow), but after villages became towns and cities more structure is needed to maintain the society (Barry sees someone he doesn't know stealing his vegetables and now has to talk to the police/constable to get them to investigate the matter and arrest the perpetrator). Love it or hate it, government is that structure. If you take it out completely society will fill that role with something else - which may be better or worse and make different decisions and take different actions, but will still be fulfilling the role of providing a structure to society.
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
03-26-2017, 04:02 AM,
Post: #37
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
You do see how not answering the primary assumption behind the existence of the Welfare State leaves you standing on one leg, Gipetto?
03-26-2017, 04:29 AM,
Post: #38
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
<Admiral Ackbar>It's a trap!</Admiral Ackbar>
"Balls," said the queen. "If I had them, I'd be king."
03-26-2017, 05:34 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-26-2017, 05:36 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #39
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 04:02 AM)more or less Wrote: You do see how not answering the primary assumption behind the existence of the Welfare State leaves you standing on one leg, Gipetto?

I don't disagree with the welfare state. OMG  Goth
But, enlighten me, what is your primary assumption behind the welfare state? Help me understand what you're assuming about my positions.
03-26-2017, 05:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-26-2017, 05:42 AM by more or less.)
Post: #40
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 03:05 AM)more or less Wrote: HINT


Quote:[…] contributed to the rise of the welfare state and to an increase in the size of government relative to the private sector. In some countries, particularly the United States, the development of Keynesianism brought about a gradual shift in the meaning of liberalism, from a doctrine calling for a relatively passive state and an economy guided by the “invisible hand” of the market to the view that the state should actively intervene in the economy in order to generate growth and sustain employment levels.

See that sentence above where it says "the state should actively intervene in the economy..."

In order to what?  Could it be, um, job growth!?

So what creates MOAR JOBS?
03-26-2017, 05:52 AM,
Post: #41
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
Taco Trucks.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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03-26-2017, 07:21 AM,
Post: #42
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
But from a pure jobs creation perspective, isn't the job creation potential from green tech pretty limited?

I mean, is West Virginia's drug addled rural methodone population going to see a big downtick in unemployment counts?
03-26-2017, 07:25 AM,
Post: #43
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
Also, I wanted to talk about, you know, the ACTUAL science. Can we do that instead of focusing on where roo's money should be thrown?
03-26-2017, 07:38 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-26-2017, 07:38 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #44
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
No less growth potential than coal or gas.
Existing tech needs to be replaced. As tech evolves there will be upgrades. As tech ages it'll break and need replacement. Current renewables require as much or more attention than current consumables. Renewables can fit in to any state's economy. You like local economy, right? And consumables will be harder and harder to collect as time goes on.

I see it as a reeducation issue. And a national security and stability issue. The less we depend on consumables and foreign energy the better.

Your comment about methadone addicts is irrelevant. Unless those methadone addicts can convince republicans to stop fighting it.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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03-26-2017, 08:32 AM,
Post: #45
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 07:25 AM)more or less Wrote: Also, I wanted to talk about, you know, the ACTUAL science.  Can we do that instead of focusing on where roo's money should be thrown?

You're allowed to talk about anything you want too, sweetie.
03-26-2017, 12:02 PM,
Post: #46
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 07:38 AM)Gippy Wrote: No less growth potential than coal or gas.
Existing tech needs to be replaced. As tech evolves there will be upgrades. As tech ages it'll break and need replacement. Current renewables require as much or more attention than current consumables. Renewables can fit in to any state's economy. You like local economy, right? And consumables will be harder and harder to collect as time goes on.

I see it as a reeducation issue. And a national security and stability issue. The less we depend on consumables and foreign energy the better.

Your comment about methadone addicts is irrelevant. Unless those methadone addicts can convince republicans to stop fighting it.

But does this require roo's monies?
03-26-2017, 12:03 PM,
Post: #47
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
Also the point you are intentionally missing is West Virginia doesn't  seem ripe for Green Tech jobs.
03-26-2017, 12:07 PM,
Post: #48
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 08:32 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(03-26-2017, 07:25 AM)more or less Wrote: Also, I wanted to talk about, you know, the ACTUAL science.  Can we do that instead of focusing on where roo's money should be thrown?

You're allowed to talk about anything you want too, sweetie.

Yay!

Go grab the policy brief for policy makers:

http://ipcc.ch/report/ar5/syr/

EXPAND YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE

Your first reading assignment is only the first 3 pages, ONE OF WHICH IS MOSLTY PRETTY CHARTS AND GRAPHS WITH SQUIGGLY LINES!
03-26-2017, 01:53 PM,
Post: #49
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 12:03 PM)more or less Wrote: Also the point you are intentionally missing is West Virginia doesn't  seem ripe for Green Tech jobs.

Why not? Every state needs local energy production.
03-26-2017, 01:55 PM,
Post: #50
RE: The Climate Change Throwdown Extravaganza
(03-26-2017, 12:07 PM)more or less Wrote:
(03-26-2017, 08:32 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(03-26-2017, 07:25 AM)more or less Wrote: Also, I wanted to talk about, you know, the ACTUAL science.  Can we do that instead of focusing on where roo's money should be thrown?

You're allowed to talk about anything you want too, sweetie.

Yay!

Go grab the policy brief for policy makers:

http://ipcc.ch/report/ar5/syr/

EXPAND YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE

Your first reading assignment is only the first 3 pages, ONE OF WHICH IS MOSLTY PRETTY CHARTS AND GRAPHS WITH SQUIGGLY LINES!

So this is the part where non-scientists argue about science?
I'm gonna need the cliff notes, plz.


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