We don't have a political image thread?
02-16-2018, 10:05 PM,
Post: #126
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-16-2018, 02:23 PM)Alien Wrote:
(02-15-2018, 11:49 PM)Alien Wrote: Remind me again, why is it a good idea to distribute lethal weapons to the mentally unstable?

Like knives?
02-16-2018, 11:15 PM,
Post: #127
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-16-2018, 10:00 PM)Kev Wrote: Speaking of people needing mental health professionals.…
(02-16-2018, 12:42 AM)Alien Wrote:
(02-15-2018, 11:22 PM)Kev Wrote: How about coming up with something that might actually help instead of snark.
02-17-2018, 07:59 AM,
Post: #128
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-16-2018, 02:56 PM)Gippy Wrote: Also, the “let’s arm the teachers” and “post armed guards at schools” crowd are cracking me up. They’re the same assholes who fight the thought of arming schools with pencils, paper and books.

Anyone who wants to arm teachers clearly doesn't remember how they treated those teachers while in school.
02-17-2018, 08:43 AM,
Post: #129
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-16-2018, 11:15 PM)Alien Wrote:
(02-16-2018, 10:00 PM)Kev Wrote: Speaking of people needing mental health professionals.…
(02-16-2018, 12:42 AM)Alien Wrote:
(02-15-2018, 11:22 PM)Kev Wrote: How about coming up with something that might actually help instead of snark.

That was a fistful of crazy.
I don't know, have to ask Puddles, maybe he's great in bed.
02-17-2018, 12:56 PM,
Post: #130
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
Better with one ball than most of you with two!
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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02-17-2018, 01:06 PM,
Post: #131
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
Oh, lookie here... gut control... uh... works... or something. But you guys probably don't want to hear about this.

Quote:Minnesota set a record last year for the number of gun background checks the FBI conducted in the state.

More people are carrying guns than ever before, but the crime rate remains relatively low. WCCO’s Pat Kessler is looking at the numbers, and giving them a Reality Check.

We took a hard look at the numbers, and found: Minnesota has a high rate of gun ownership, and a relatively low rate of violent crime.

Minnesota’s violent crime rate hit a 50-year low in 2016, according to the FBI.

And in 2017, the state set a new record for firearms background checks.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System reports it processed nearly 683,544 checks on gun buyers in 2017. That includes: 473,975 permits, 94,383 handguns and 125,516 long guns.

Minnesota set another 2017 record, too.

The State Department of Public Safety reports 283,188 Minnesotans now have permits to legally carry firearms in public.

In 2017, the state issued 57,651 permits to carry a weapon in public. That’s down from a record 71,156 permits issued in 2016.

There’s still a lot we don’t know about guns in Minnesota. An estimated 36.7 percent of Minnesotans own at least one firearm.

But we don’t know how many total guns there are in the state, or exactly how many gun owners there are, or how much ammunition is sold every year.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/02/15...nd-checks/

The article leaves me wanting for more details... but, hey... its a start, and the fucking crybaby gun nuts STILL GET TO HAVE GUNS!
Gun Control is not a push to destroy all guns, fucktards.
02-17-2018, 01:57 PM,
Post: #132
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
I live in IL.
We have had to get a license to purchase firearms and ammo for decades now.
Background checks and the whole nine yards to get the license, then background checks to buy a weapon.
Every time you buy.
Also a waiting period for every gun purchased.
Every time.
Even if you are going in to pick up a gun after the waiting period if you buy another one that day, another check and wait.
And show the FOID card yet again.
Every purchase registered.
I live gun control Gippy.
02-17-2018, 02:21 PM,
Post: #133
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
Good for you.
Let’s start by getting that everywhere.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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02-17-2018, 10:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-17-2018, 10:22 PM by roo.)
Post: #134
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
School shootings have been on the rise since the call for gun control.

fucktards, I believe, is the proper closing.
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02-17-2018, 10:28 PM,
Post: #135
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-17-2018, 01:06 PM)Gippy Wrote: Oh, lookie here... gut control... uh... works... or something. But you guys probably don't want to hear about this.

Quote:Minnesota set a record last year for the number of gun background checks the FBI conducted in the state.

More people are carrying guns than ever before, but the crime rate remains relatively low. WCCO’s Pat Kessler is looking at the numbers, and giving them a Reality Check.

We took a hard look at the numbers, and found: Minnesota has a high rate of gun ownership, and a relatively low rate of violent crime.

Minnesota’s violent crime rate hit a 50-year low in 2016, according to the FBI.

And in 2017, the state set a new record for firearms background checks.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System reports it processed nearly 683,544 checks on gun buyers in 2017. That includes: 473,975 permits, 94,383 handguns and 125,516 long guns.

Minnesota set another 2017 record, too.

The State Department of Public Safety reports 283,188 Minnesotans now have permits to legally carry firearms in public.

In 2017, the state issued 57,651 permits to carry a weapon in public. That’s down from a record 71,156 permits issued in 2016.

There’s still a lot we don’t know about guns in Minnesota. An estimated 36.7 percent of Minnesotans own at least one firearm.

But we don’t know how many total guns there are in the state, or exactly how many gun owners there are, or how much ammunition is sold every year.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/02/15...nd-checks/

The article leaves me wanting for more details... but, hey... its a start, and the fucking crybaby gun nuts STILL GET TO HAVE GUNS!
Gun Control is not a push to destroy all guns, fucktards.

You might be surprised to learn that violent crime is down EVERYWHERE not just in Minnesota. It may be the first time this ever truly appropriate:  fascinating analysis.
02-17-2018, 10:32 PM,
Post: #136
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
WaPo reports that guns aren't even in the top 10 causes of death in the US.  But what's #3?  Health care.  What's the solution?  Banning guns?  ERROR
02-17-2018, 10:35 PM,
Post: #137
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-17-2018, 01:06 PM)Gippy Wrote: The article leaves me wanting for more details... but, hey... its a start, and the fucking crybaby gun nuts STILL GET TO HAVE GUNS!
Gun Control is not a push to destroy all guns, fucktards.

Crybabies and fucktards? What of the people who pander to the grieving to boost their popularity and advance their own agendas?  What of those who are literally in tears begging for the end of this fundamental right?

Please.  

Check your privilege.
02-18-2018, 01:04 AM,
Post: #138
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
When I as a kid 35 years ago, kids came to school with guns in their pickups.
Weren't any school shootings.
I seriously doubt our guns per capita is drastically different now than decades past.
The underlying cause isn't guns and more regulation won't do anything.
Laws only stop the law abiding.
02-18-2018, 03:36 AM,
Post: #139
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-18-2018, 01:04 AM)Kev Wrote: When I as a kid 35 years ago, kids came to school with guns in their pickups.
Weren't any school shootings.
I seriously doubt our guns per capita is drastically different now than decades past.
The underlying cause isn't guns and more regulation won't do anything.
Laws only stop the law abiding.


I recommend you take a look at the stats.
02-18-2018, 03:45 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-18-2018, 03:46 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #140
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-17-2018, 10:22 PM)roo Wrote: School shootings have been on the rise since the call for gun control.

fucktards, I believe, is the proper closing.

And... that call for gun control has been opposed at every turn. Most gun legislation attempted since columbine has failed. That which has passed has not been widely consistent enough to have a real effect. The argument that legislation passed in county 1 has no effect is dumb when county 2 has no gun control. Hence why Chicago still gets guns.

(02-17-2018, 10:28 PM)roo Wrote: You might be surprised to learn that violent crime is down EVERYWHERE not just in Minnesota. It may be the first time this ever truly appropriate:  fascinating analysis.

Great. We're better than we were in 1993. But that chart is misleading. If you follow links down in to the data sets used for that you'll find that we're only marginally better than we were in 1969 when we had a siginificantly smaller national population.

I guess in one respect that's impressive because, even considering the probable lack of quality in crime statistics from 1969, we have a fuck-ton more guns (scientific measure, I know!) and approximately the same rate of violence.

(02-17-2018, 10:32 PM)roo Wrote: WaPo reports that guns aren't even in the top 10 causes of death in the US.  But what's #3?  Health care.  What's the solution?  Banning guns?  ERROR

The relevant links in the article don't work, but if I look up reports in their purported source, the National Center for Health Statistics, their report that appears to have sourced this data homicide ranks higher than what's presented in that chart.

When ranking that against total mortality of the population that will of course get statistically lost. Also striking in that report is that homicide actually ranks in the infant mortality rates.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr66/nvsr66_05.pdf

Quote:Homicide was the third leading cause of death for age group 10–24 (14.6% of deaths), the fourth leading cause for age group 1–9 (8.0% of deaths), and the  fth leading cause for age group 25–44 (6.2% of deaths). It was not among the 10 leading causes for the population aged 45 and over. Suicide was the second leading cause of death for age group 10–24 (17.6% of deaths) and the fourth leading cause for age group 25–44 (11.1% of deaths). In contrast, it was the eighth leading cause for those aged 45–64 (3.1% of deaths) and was not among the 10 leading causes for the population aged 65 and over or 85 and over.


So, yeah, looking at the populations less expected to die naturally occuring incidents you can see that homocide has a much larger effect on the mortality rate.

Interesting article, though, since I've been given the wrong medication during a hospital stay. Its quite concerning.

(02-17-2018, 10:35 PM)roo Wrote:
(02-17-2018, 01:06 PM)Gippy Wrote: The article leaves me wanting for more details... but, hey... its a start, and the fucking crybaby gun nuts STILL GET TO HAVE GUNS!
Gun Control is not a push to destroy all guns, fucktards.
Crybabies and fucktards? What of the people who pander to the grieving to boost their popularity and advance their own agendas?  What of those who are literally in tears begging for the end of this fundamental right?

What about...! What about...! This is a distraction. Of course there's an agenda to control access to guns. And agenda is what you call your drive to accomplish something. Derp.

Quote:Please.  

Check your privilege.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQfzwFloVqA

(02-18-2018, 01:04 AM)Kev Wrote: When I as a kid 35 years ago, kids came to school with guns in their pickups.
Weren't any school shootings.
I seriously doubt our guns per capita is drastically different now than decades past.
The underlying cause isn't guns and more regulation won't do anything.
Laws only stop the law abiding.

35 years ago. The landscape has changed a lot since then. As noted above we've barely changed the rates since 1969 but where that voilence is happening has certainly changed. Old views need updating from time to time. Doing something the same way for 50 years doesn't mean you've been doing it right for 50 years.
02-18-2018, 04:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-18-2018, 04:50 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #141
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
Though it is interesting that you used Privilege.

The Lying CNN Wrote:The typical murder has one victim, not many. The typical murder is committed with a handgun, not a rifle. And in the typical murder, both the perpetrator and the victim are young black men. Blacks are six times as likely as whites to be the victim of a homicide. Blacks are seven times as likely to commit a homicide.

The horrifying toll of gun violence on black America explains why black Americans are so much more likely than whites to favor gun control.

Conversely, fears of being victimized by violence explain why so many white Americans -- especially older and more conservative white Americans -- insist on the right to bear arms in self-protection. They see gun violence as something that impinges on them from the outside. They don't blame guns for gun violence. They blame a particular subset of the population. And they don't see why they should lose their right because some subset of the population abuses theirs.

Quote:Thugs killing thugs? Maybe. But many of those seeming thugs are carrying guns for the same reason that people who consider themselves respectable carry them : in a futile quest to protect themselves with greater firepower. One person can find safety that way. But if two people carry firearms, a confrontation that might otherwise have ended in words or blows ends instead with one man dead, and the other man on his way to prison for life.

Quote:Those young men in Baton Rouge who are killing each other in such horrific numbers do not manufacture their own guns. They did not organize the gun trade that brings the guns to their town. They did not write the laws that prevent their town government from acting against guns. They carry guns -- and misuse guns -- thanks to a national system of gun regulation that makes guns easily accessible to those least likely to use guns responsibly.

The gun laws intended to put guns into the hands of "good guys" are the laws that also multiply guns in the hands of "bad guys" -- bad guys who might not have become such bad guys if the guns had not been available to their hands.

The price of redefining gun violence as an issue pertaining only to "those people" -- of casting and recasting the gun statistics to make them less grisly if only "those people" are toted under some different heading in some different ledger -- the price of that redefinition is to lose our ability to think about the problem at all.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/01/15/opinion/f...index.html

The latest example of privilege is the Florida shooting. The white male, with autism, showing signs of self harm and nazi affiliations, after investigators accused his mother of abusing him, was found to be of sound mind when evaluated by local authorities. This was before he legally purchased his firearm.
02-18-2018, 08:41 AM,
Post: #142
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-18-2018, 03:45 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(02-18-2018, 01:04 AM)Kev Wrote: When I as a kid 35 years ago, kids came to school with guns in their pickups.
Weren't any school shootings.
I seriously doubt our guns per capita is drastically different now than decades past.
The underlying cause isn't guns and more regulation won't do anything.
Laws only stop the law abiding.

35 years ago. The landscape has changed a lot since then. As noted above we've barely changed the rates since 1969 but where that voilence is happening has certainly changed. Old views need updating from time to time. Doing something the same way for 50 years doesn't mean you've been doing it right for 50 years.

You may be on to something there.
What changed in child rearing and school teaching in the last few decades that could be leading to our current state.
02-18-2018, 11:17 AM,
Post: #143
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
I won’t argue that what you’re alluding to isn’t a factor or worth consideration. But at the same time, what do you do with a child that can’t play nicely with a toy? The answer is probably fairly universal.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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02-18-2018, 09:16 PM,
Post: #144
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-18-2018, 11:17 AM)Gippy Wrote: I won’t argue that what you’re alluding to isn’t a factor or worth consideration. But at the same time, what do you do with a child that can’t play nicely with a toy? The answer is probably fairly universal.

Except you're not proposing that we take the toy away from the child who has a problem.   You're proposing that we ban toys.
02-19-2018, 12:29 AM,
Post: #145
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
I haven’t seen anyone here advocating a repeal of the second amendment.
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02-19-2018, 02:15 AM,
Post: #146
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
(02-18-2018, 09:16 PM)roo Wrote:
(02-18-2018, 11:17 AM)Gippy Wrote: I won’t argue that what you’re alluding to isn’t a factor or worth consideration. But at the same time, what do you do with a child that can’t play nicely with a toy? The answer is probably fairly universal.

Except you're not proposing that we take the toy away from the child who has a problem.   You're proposing that we ban toys.

Read what I’ve been saying. Not a total ban. A ban on assault weapons, but getting existing guns turned on would probably be too hard. They’re simply not necessary. Other guns should have a more consistent and stringent acquisition process.

If anyone wants to mourn the loss of the AR-15 they’ll have my thoughts and prayers.
02-19-2018, 02:17 AM,
Post: #147
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
Can you imagine sending a Sherrif or Fed to Bubba’s house to take his guns? That would be fatal in too many cases.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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02-19-2018, 02:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-19-2018, 02:56 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #148
RE: We don't have a political image thread?
To make another clear point, too. I'll use the popular car analogy.

We have consistent and national laws around car safety. Knowing that there is a regulating body with an ongoing job of evaluating vehicle safety and that there's a remediation process when things are faulty or require a change is reassuring. We know there is risk around cars but we also know there's a push to make them better and safer. So we accept that risk.

There's no such thing around guns. States fight regulation. The government prohibits the CDC from doing research in to gun violence. There's no consistency and its too easy to skirt the rules. Your state may have strict background checks but then I can go to another state, legally purchase, and then legally transport across state lines or use a proxy purchaser. That's just one example. And the improvement of a gun is to make it more lethal. So we can look at gun incidents and figure out how to improve the tool.

Pretty soon home manufacturing techniques will be cheap and easy. Right now they're moderately complicated, require special equipment, and it is expensive. That's gonna change.
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