*cough*
02-06-2017, 01:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-06-2017, 01:15 PM by Gippy.)
Post: #76
RE: *cough*
All lives matter isn't necessarily racist. It does show your inability to understand anything that doesn't directly relate to you. It is an insistence that because you can't see it, that it doesn't exist. That somehow supporting black lives you are lowering the significance of white lives. It is ignorance. Willful ignorance.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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02-06-2017, 01:18 PM,
Post: #77
RE: *cough*
But what does BLM have to do with what I was saying? Are we in that "but what about" phase of the argument because you're all of excuses on the main line of questioning?
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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02-06-2017, 05:52 PM,
Post: #78
RE: *cough*
Entropy!
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02-06-2017, 05:54 PM,
Post: #79
RE: *cough*
Ugh. I've never totally grasped the meaning of that word.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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02-06-2017, 07:50 PM,
Post: #80
RE: *cough*
Neither have most people that use it.
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02-06-2017, 09:52 PM,
Post: #81
RE: *cough*
(02-05-2017, 06:55 AM)Gippy Wrote: Troll. Who brought up safe places. I believe that it's the protests that have made #45 call for a safe place. Conservatives have been all over wanting a safe place since they've been challenged on their beliefs. So fuck that argument.

A Nazi got punched and all of a sudden they're worried about being safe in public. So sorry, not sorry. See what violent rhetoric turns in to? Funny how that works, isn't it.

A blond troll who got himself banned from Teh Twitts, who openly threatened the safety of others, and who is now the subject of protests now feels unsafe. Fuck yeah. Keep on him.

Yes, Bolwing Green. Such a shame, that. Conway must have lost someone special there for it to have resonated so much.


You posited that some mysterious agent incited a riot and blamed UC Berkeley.  I responded with evidence in the form of multiple links that higher ed has examples of many protests, misbehavior, and inexcusable bullying as of late. 

And you've turned that into punching some Nazi and Twitter being an authority on freedom of speech.
02-06-2017, 09:54 PM,
Post: #82
RE: *cough*
(02-06-2017, 02:46 AM)Gippy Wrote: And, seriously, Nazis wasn't injected into the narrative. It is the narrative.

[Image: 16472826_1279925198727329_13650103010306...0-1000.jpg]

The graffiti says Nazi.  You are the one assigning authorship.
02-06-2017, 09:58 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-06-2017, 09:59 PM by roo.)
Post: #83
RE: *cough*
(02-06-2017, 02:01 AM)Alien Wrote: The way I see it, Godwin's Law has evolved from a mildly amusing observation into a curse: it is (too) often invoked as a spell to silence opposing viewpoints.

I disagree.  I think as soon as the argument invokes Godwin's Law, it spirals out of control. Godwin's Law, in essence, is the entropy marker.  As to whether or not it's the symptom or the cause, I can't say.  But when two people argue, and one likens the other to Hitler/Nazism, surely reason has been abandoned in favor the llama of drama.
02-07-2017, 12:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-07-2017, 01:01 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #84
RE: *cough*
(02-06-2017, 09:52 PM)roo Wrote:
(02-05-2017, 06:55 AM)Gippy Wrote: Troll. Who brought up safe places. I believe that it's the protests that have made #45 call for a safe place. Conservatives have been all over wanting a safe place since they've been challenged on their beliefs. So fuck that argument.

A Nazi got punched and all of a sudden they're worried about being safe in public. So sorry, not sorry. See what violent rhetoric turns in to? Funny how that works, isn't it.

A blond troll who got himself banned from Teh Twitts, who openly threatened the safety of others, and who is now the subject of protests now feels unsafe. Fuck yeah. Keep on him.

Yes, Bolwing Green. Such a shame, that. Conway must have lost someone special there for it to have resonated so much.


You posited that some mysterious agent incited a riot and blamed UC Berkeley.  I responded with evidence in the form of multiple links that higher ed has examples of many protests, misbehavior, and inexcusable bullying as of late. 

And you've turned that into punching some Nazi and Twitter being an authority on freedom of speech.

Ohnoes You took "Tin foil hat time" seriously! Wow... my apologies. Seriously.

I don't think the protesters were paid. They're a group that shows up in the bay area to literally light shit on fire at protests. I have no idea if they think they're making the protest's point more poignant or if they're trying to delegitimize the protests. There are weird coincidences surrounding events but they're on the same level of 9/11 being an inside job.

Berkeley did the right thing. They allowed the student republican group to host their speaker. It was students and the community that came out to protest.

It doesn't change how I feel about what I said. But please do know that this argument didn't start on the foundation that you think that it did.

I had to go back and re-read what I wrote to say this: In my defense, I used the Nazi punching as an example of the right being weak. That in the face of adversity they ask for safe places. The same way grown ass men, elected to office, cry out that they've been offended by a play or a coffee shop. I was calling them pussies.

I believe that it was Potardo that took the Nazi quotient to the next level. I did argue with him. And I still don't feel that my responses to him were out of line or context.
02-07-2017, 12:43 AM,
Post: #85
RE: *cough*
(02-06-2017, 09:54 PM)roo Wrote:
(02-06-2017, 02:46 AM)Gippy Wrote: And, seriously, Nazis wasn't injected into the narrative. It is the narrative.

http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/20...0-1000.jpg

The graffiti says Nazi.  You are the one assigning authorship.

I don't understand your statement.
02-07-2017, 01:57 AM,
Post: #86
RE: *cough*
(02-06-2017, 09:58 PM)roo Wrote:
(02-06-2017, 02:01 AM)Alien Wrote: The way I see it, Godwin's Law has evolved from a mildly amusing observation into a curse: it is (too) often invoked as a spell to silence opposing viewpoints.
I disagree.  I think as soon as the argument invokes Godwin's Law, it spirals out of control. Godwin's Law, in essence, is the entropy marker.  As to whether or not it's the symptom or the cause, I can't say.  But when two people argue, and one likens the other to Hitler/Nazism, surely reason has been abandoned in favor the llama of drama.
Not when the comparison is apt. Personally, I don't feel it is in this case (mostly), because, well... say what you will about the tenets of national-socialism, at least it's an ethos.

See, Hitler was a real person, not a mythical bogeyman. Also, "Nazi" means something, it's not just shorthand for "ultimate evil". As such, I don't think the Trump administration are Nazis. They sure do exhibit fascist tendencies, though. Nazism isn't fascism, although they are intimately related.

I do realise these misconceptions are deeply ingrained in our culture, partly because, as victors, we derive much of our sense of righteousness from painting the defeated enemy as ultimate evildoers. It also helps to instil a feeling of "can't happen here", as displayed throughout these discussions by Potardo. After all, we are the Good Guys and we always were and we always will be. It is this very way of thinking, that leads to this "Godwinism". As if one can't compare Trump to Hitler (or Mussolini) because they were mythical demons beyond humanity. They really weren't; they were just men with crazy ideas. And as if one can't compare Trump's entourage to Nazis because they aren't killing people (or sometimes more specifically: Jews) by the millions. Do you really think the Nazis ran on the platform of, "vote for us and we'll start a world war and kill six million Jews by gassing them"? Of course they didn't.

Germans didn't end up starting WW2 and perpetrating the Holocaust because it's in their genes. Creepy ideologies were all the rage back then, all over the western world, and the Germany just got the luck of the draw that they blew the whole thing up. Before they started all down the war path that almost destroyed all of Europe, they garnered a lot of genuine admiration among many layers of almost all peoples in the west. Here were leaders who were not lollygagging about like those damned politicians in our governments, but instead they were getting things done! Mussolini made the trains run on time, and Hitler was building roads and manufacturing cars and providing jobs so the average worker could actually afford such a car!The Nazis ran on a program of ending recession, providing jobs and restoring pride in the motherland. Sound familiar? It should. Now in my humble opinion, if you see things happening, it is A-OK to compare them to things that happened in the past that are eerily similar. Does that mean it'll end with world war and mass extermination? I hope not, and thankfully there is no guarantee that it will. But that doesn't mean it hasn't all happened before, or that it won't happen again.
02-07-2017, 03:02 AM,
Post: #87
RE: *cough*
Rational thought? In MY clubhouse?
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02-07-2017, 03:03 AM,
Post: #88
RE: *cough*
Mussolini didn't actually make the trains run on time. He merely claimed he did and killed anyone who suggested otherwise.
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02-07-2017, 03:23 AM,
Post: #89
RE: *cough*
(02-07-2017, 01:57 AM)Alien Wrote: Sound familiar? It should.
02-07-2017, 03:40 AM,
Post: #90
RE: *cough*
There are enough similarities between history and the current administration to perk up anyone's ears, I hope. We should be pushing back when we see these similarities to avoid a repeat. Am I saying that it'll end up 100% the same? No. Is it still bad if it ends up being 50% the same? Absolutely. Is it alarmist? I hope so... I'd prefer to cry wolf here and keep these guys in check than to give them all the rope they need to hang us with and hope for the best.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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02-07-2017, 05:05 AM,
Post: #91
RE: *cough*
The problem is that American politics operates at the core with an "us vs them" mentality with any middle ground outright avoided. Trump could very well be the next Hitler, or he could very well be not. But the left is being whipped into a frothibg frenzy that is being publicized very heavily at the very thought, and that's scary. Thump supporters are not fanatical. Nobody peed their pants listening to his speech. But there is a very very vocal (possibly minority I concede, but vocal) left that from an objective perspective seem to be going down the path of Nazi-like fanaticism, if not Nazi-like objectives.
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
02-07-2017, 05:07 AM,
Post: #92
RE: *cough*
Oh my god how would we ever cope without your insightful posts you are so clever
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02-07-2017, 05:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-07-2017, 05:33 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #93
RE: *cough*
(02-07-2017, 05:05 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: Thump supporters are not fanatical. Nobody peed their pants listening to his speech.

Wtf 
A million times  Wtf

Quote:But there is a very very vocal (possibly minority I concede, but vocal) left that from an objective perspective seem to be going down the path of Nazi-like fanaticism, if not Nazi-like objectives.

Are you sure that you know your left from your right?
02-07-2017, 11:21 AM,
Post: #94
RE: *cough*
(02-07-2017, 05:05 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: The problem is that American politics operates at the core with an "us vs them" mentality with any middle ground outright avoided. Trump could very well be the next Hitler, or he could very well be not. But the left is being whipped into a frothibg frenzy that is being publicized very heavily at the very thought, and that's scary. Thump supporters are not fanatical. Nobody peed their pants listening to his speech. But there is a very very vocal (possibly minority I concede, but vocal) left that from an objective perspective seem to be going down the path of Nazi-like fanaticism, if not Nazi-like objectives.

Shut up, dickface. Seriously, you may think you understand American politics, but you don't. 
02-07-2017, 11:48 AM,
Post: #95
RE: *cough*
(02-07-2017, 11:21 AM)PuddleMonkey Wrote:
(02-07-2017, 05:05 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: The problem is that American politics operates at the core with an "us vs them" mentality with any middle ground outright avoided. Trump could very well be the next Hitler, or he could very well be not. But the left is being whipped into a frothibg frenzy that is being publicized very heavily at the very thought, and that's scary. Thump supporters are not fanatical. Nobody peed their pants listening to his speech. But there is a very very vocal (possibly minority I concede, but vocal) left that from an objective perspective seem to be going down the path of Nazi-like fanaticism, if not Nazi-like objectives.

Shut up, dickface. Seriously, you may think you understand American politics, but you don't. 

To be fair, he's doing a fairly good job of parroting back what he hears on Fox News.
02-07-2017, 03:02 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-07-2017, 03:02 PM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #96
RE: *cough*
(02-07-2017, 11:21 AM)PuddleMonkey Wrote:
(02-07-2017, 05:05 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: The problem is that American politics operates at the core with an "us vs them" mentality with any middle ground outright avoided. Trump could very well be the next Hitler, or he could very well be not. But the left is being whipped into a frothibg frenzy that is being publicized very heavily at the very thought, and that's scary. Thump supporters are not fanatical. Nobody peed their pants listening to his speech. But there is a very very vocal (possibly minority I concede, but vocal) left that from an objective perspective seem to be going down the path of Nazi-like fanaticism, if not Nazi-like objectives.

Shut up, dickface. Seriously, you may think you understand American politics, but you don't. 

I don't recall the Democrats and Republicans having agreed on a single issue as of late.
02-07-2017, 03:35 PM,
Post: #97
RE: *cough*
Fascinating analysis.
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02-08-2017, 04:25 PM,
Post: #98
RE: *cough*
So, who here that was upset that Milo couldn't speak is upset that Warren was silenced?
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02-08-2017, 09:22 PM,
Post: #99
RE: *cough*
Wait! Don't tell me! Is it you?
bedstuy Wrote:mocking a pair of $500 jeans is a form of class warfare... why do you hate my social status?
02-08-2017, 11:50 PM,
Post: #100
RE: *cough*
There is no difference, is there?
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