PLEASE NOTE
11-19-2016, 03:06 AM,
Post: #126
RE: PLEASE NOTE
I always find it funny how people seem to believe an ancient piece of paper will magically turn into Constitution Man and make sure the baddies can't act on their evil plans.
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11-19-2016, 03:20 AM,
Post: #127
RE: PLEASE NOTE
Constitution Man has the same powers as Law Man
bedstuy Wrote:mocking a pair of $500 jeans is a form of class warfare... why do you hate my social status?
11-19-2016, 03:21 AM,
Post: #128
RE: PLEASE NOTE
Another protestor with a clear message. Has a kind of emo vibe.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/...ill-trump/
bedstuy Wrote:mocking a pair of $500 jeans is a form of class warfare... why do you hate my social status?
11-19-2016, 03:38 AM,
Post: #129
RE: PLEASE NOTE
I got a call from the Capitol Police last year after the wife made a sideways threat towards Cruz.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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11-19-2016, 03:40 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-19-2016, 03:42 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #130
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-19-2016, 03:21 AM)roo Wrote: Another protestor with a clear message. Has a kind of emo vibe.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/...ill-trump/

This is exactly like the guys in Denver who were arrested for trying actually kill Obama. The scales of severity really do match up here.
11-19-2016, 04:09 AM,
Post: #131
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-18-2016, 08:39 PM)roo Wrote:
(11-18-2016, 12:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: I think what the protesters are doing is pretty clear.

Your privilege, like my privilege, lets me effectively ignore the racist, homophobic and xenophobic talk that was the cornerstone of the Trump campaign. No matter what games you like to play here you can't deny it was there. And it scares a lot of people. Because we're not effected, that we're not worried about being targeted, or worried about being marginalized or having rights taken away, we can sleep easier at night. Being black, gay, a woman or muslim right now and accepting the rhetoric that got the Orange in Chief elected is hard. I have friends and co-workers in all of those categories and they're all worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons. Most of which aren't orange, but are those that supported the Cheeto Mussolini and took it as a referendum on white male dominance.

I admit that I don't feel the same sense of urgency and despair about this election as others do, but that's no reason to deny them their voice and marginalize their efforts to be heard. The message that the orange ran on needs to be opposed. The protests serve to fuel our legislators to act. And serve to shout through the bubble that Trump obviously hasn't been able to look past (just read interviews, all the signs of ignorance are there).

Edit: There's a huge difference between the shouts of hitler Obama and hitler Trump. The difference being that those that tried to compare Obama to hitler made large leaps and twists to make the comparison. Trump gave us everything we needed to neatly put the two together.

There are millions of black, gay, and woman voters who elected Trump. I realize that the climate in your exceptionally blue region is anti-Trump.  I also realize that historically, fear, uncertainty and doubt are what those who object employ as their protest tools. 

Eight years ago, there were people who were "worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons" too. Or valid to them, anyway.  You seem to think that their reasons are invalid while yours are valid. Funny, that.
So, basically, we're coastal elites who have no idea what life is like in the "real America." Got it.  Wtf
11-19-2016, 04:21 AM,
Post: #132
RE: PLEASE NOTE
If beddy were here he would have pointed out the following, probably several pages ago:

WRONG FORUM

/ok, carry on
//rip, beddy
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11-19-2016, 04:43 AM,
Post: #133
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-19-2016, 03:20 AM)roo Wrote: Constitution Man has the same powers as Law Man
Exactly.
11-19-2016, 05:22 AM,
Post: #134
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-19-2016, 04:09 AM)PuddleMonkey Wrote:
(11-18-2016, 08:39 PM)roo Wrote:
(11-18-2016, 12:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: I think what the protesters are doing is pretty clear.

Your privilege, like my privilege, lets me effectively ignore the racist, homophobic and xenophobic talk that was the cornerstone of the Trump campaign. No matter what games you like to play here you can't deny it was there. And it scares a lot of people. Because we're not effected, that we're not worried about being targeted, or worried about being marginalized or having rights taken away, we can sleep easier at night. Being black, gay, a woman or muslim right now and accepting the rhetoric that got the Orange in Chief elected is hard. I have friends and co-workers in all of those categories and they're all worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons. Most of which aren't orange, but are those that supported the Cheeto Mussolini and took it as a referendum on white male dominance.

I admit that I don't feel the same sense of urgency and despair about this election as others do, but that's no reason to deny them their voice and marginalize their efforts to be heard. The message that the orange ran on needs to be opposed. The protests serve to fuel our legislators to act. And serve to shout through the bubble that Trump obviously hasn't been able to look past (just read interviews, all the signs of ignorance are there).

Edit: There's a huge difference between the shouts of hitler Obama and hitler Trump. The difference being that those that tried to compare Obama to hitler made large leaps and twists to make the comparison. Trump gave us everything we needed to neatly put the two together.

There are millions of black, gay, and woman voters who elected Trump. I realize that the climate in your exceptionally blue region is anti-Trump.  I also realize that historically, fear, uncertainty and doubt are what those who object employ as their protest tools. 

Eight years ago, there were people who were "worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons" too. Or valid to them, anyway.  You seem to think that their reasons are invalid while yours are valid. Funny, that.
So, basically, we're coastal elites who have no idea what life is like in the "real America." Got it.  Wtf

You clearly are surprised by the election results, maybe you are mote like you describe than you care to admit. Shrug
11-19-2016, 05:50 AM,
Post: #135
RE: PLEASE NOTE
You're trying to create a false equivalence between the two groups of protesters.

Protests against Obama, no matter how the protesters felt about the validity of their fears, we based largely on misinformation and preying on their fears. The protests were contrived, based on direct lies to the people.

Protests against Trump are based on what he said during his campaign. Rhetoric that was without a doubt racist and xenophobic. Just the attempt to equate the two is dishonest and points to the same bubble effect that you claim you're seeing.

There's no comparison between people afraid of the boogeyman and those reacting to the comments of the President Elect.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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11-19-2016, 06:04 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-19-2016, 06:33 AM by PuddleMonkey.)
Post: #136
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-19-2016, 05:22 AM)roo Wrote:
(11-19-2016, 04:09 AM)PuddleMonkey Wrote:
(11-18-2016, 08:39 PM)roo Wrote:
(11-18-2016, 12:36 PM)Gippy Wrote: I think what the protesters are doing is pretty clear.

Your privilege, like my privilege, lets me effectively ignore the racist, homophobic and xenophobic talk that was the cornerstone of the Trump campaign. No matter what games you like to play here you can't deny it was there. And it scares a lot of people. Because we're not effected, that we're not worried about being targeted, or worried about being marginalized or having rights taken away, we can sleep easier at night. Being black, gay, a woman or muslim right now and accepting the rhetoric that got the Orange in Chief elected is hard. I have friends and co-workers in all of those categories and they're all worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons. Most of which aren't orange, but are those that supported the Cheeto Mussolini and took it as a referendum on white male dominance.

I admit that I don't feel the same sense of urgency and despair about this election as others do, but that's no reason to deny them their voice and marginalize their efforts to be heard. The message that the orange ran on needs to be opposed. The protests serve to fuel our legislators to act. And serve to shout through the bubble that Trump obviously hasn't been able to look past (just read interviews, all the signs of ignorance are there).

Edit: There's a huge difference between the shouts of hitler Obama and hitler Trump. The difference being that those that tried to compare Obama to hitler made large leaps and twists to make the comparison. Trump gave us everything we needed to neatly put the two together.

There are millions of black, gay, and woman voters who elected Trump. I realize that the climate in your exceptionally blue region is anti-Trump.  I also realize that historically, fear, uncertainty and doubt are what those who object employ as their protest tools. 

Eight years ago, there were people who were "worried or downright afraid for many valid reasons" too. Or valid to them, anyway.  You seem to think that their reasons are invalid while yours are valid. Funny, that.
So, basically, we're coastal elites who have no idea what life is like in the "real America." Got it.  Wtf

You clearly are surprised by the election results, maybe you are mote like you describe than you care to admit.  Shrug

No, I wasn't surprised by the election results. Disappointed, yes, but I understand why people voted for Trump. Salute
11-19-2016, 08:37 AM,
Post: #137
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-19-2016, 05:50 AM)Gippy Wrote: You're trying to create a false equivalence between the two groups of protesters.

Protests against Obama, no matter how the protesters felt about the validity of their fears, we based largely on misinformation and preying on their fears. The protests were contrived, based on direct lies to the people.

Protests against Trump are based on what he said during his campaign. Rhetoric that was without a doubt racist and xenophobic. Just the attempt to equate the two is dishonest and points to the same bubble effect that you claim you're seeing.

There's no comparison between people afraid of the boogeyman and those reacting to the comments of the President Elect.

Why is it a false equivalence?  Obama never provided a birth certificate to ward off the circumstantial accusations (and law suit). Obama has come out in favor of wealth redistribution policy on more than one occasion.  Is it a false equivalence because Obama didn't Tweet, "I'm a socialist!"  One might argue that actions speak louder than words.


It sounds an awful lot like your projection bias reassuring you that you are perfectly sane but those other weirdo protestors are loons.
11-19-2016, 09:51 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-19-2016, 09:55 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #138
RE: PLEASE NOTE
And now we've jumped the shark.
Read what you just wrote... without laughing.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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11-19-2016, 12:25 PM,
Post: #139
RE: PLEASE NOTE
I believe you are trying create a false equivalence.
bedstuy Wrote:mocking a pair of $500 jeans is a form of class warfare... why do you hate my social status?
11-19-2016, 01:00 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-19-2016, 01:00 PM by Gippy.)
Post: #140
RE: PLEASE NOTE
Then I don't know what to say.
You're trying to equate rantings about a black man to rantings by a white man.
I'm trying to tell you that you're wrong, but I'm making the false equivalence? Or are your now talking about my previous rant about the Trump voters and their values. 'Cause you now appear to be off in the weeds.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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11-19-2016, 02:11 PM,
Post: #141
RE: PLEASE NOTE
Gippy, you're making it sound like the rantings of a black man cannot equate to the rantings of a white man. That's pretty racist.
My logic is infallible. Resistance is futile.
11-19-2016, 02:27 PM,
Post: #142
RE: PLEASE NOTE
Again. Reading comprehension. You need to get some.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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11-19-2016, 05:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-19-2016, 05:46 PM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #143
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-19-2016, 02:27 PM)Gippy Wrote: Again. Reading comprehension. You need to get some.

You said "You're trying to equate rantings about a black man to rantings by a white man." You didn't say "You're trying to equate rantings from two politicians with completely different platforms, goals, objectives" or anything along that line, but instead you specified "black man" and "white man."
11-19-2016, 06:01 PM,
Post: #144
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-19-2016, 01:00 PM)Gippy Wrote: Then I don't know what to say.
You're trying to equate rantings about a black man to rantings by a white man.
I'm trying to tell you that you're wrong, but I'm making the false equivalence? Or are your now talking about my previous rant about the Trump voters and their values. 'Cause you now appear to be off in the weeds.

Your position that Obama objections are less valid than your Trump objections is what I'm on about. You are setting the criteria for what a legitimate protest can be. Those criteria are not universally accepted. For example, one might argue that the expression "taco bowl engagement" was popularized by the DNC.

I'm not going to defend Trump's boorish behavior, but I do maintain that with each new president, there are many appalled people who refuse to accept it for whatever trumped up reason. And I expect that idiom to take on new meaning over the next eight years.
11-19-2016, 06:17 PM,
Post: #145
RE: PLEASE NOTE
True as that may be, the "everything is equivalent" line of reasoning one does encounter all too often is total bullshit. You'd be better served not using it and sticking with what you just said.
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11-19-2016, 06:30 PM,
Post: #146
RE: PLEASE NOTE
Furthermore, I don't see anyone here "refusing to accept it for whatever trumped up reason," but rather mostly eloquently voicing their concern over the direction their country's political climate appears to be taking. You would do well not to lump them in with the loonies.
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11-19-2016, 06:32 PM,
Post: #147
RE: PLEASE NOTE
Lest we lump you in with Potardo.
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11-19-2016, 10:01 PM,
Post: #148
RE: PLEASE NOTE
What are you? Some kind of moderator?
bedstuy Wrote:mocking a pair of $500 jeans is a form of class warfare... why do you hate my social status?
11-19-2016, 10:14 PM,
Post: #149
RE: PLEASE NOTE
Voice of reason. Boy next door.
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11-20-2016, 02:14 AM,
Post: #150
RE: PLEASE NOTE
(11-19-2016, 05:45 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote:
(11-19-2016, 02:27 PM)Gippy Wrote: Again. Reading comprehension. You need to get some.

You said "You're trying to equate rantings about a black man to rantings by a white man." You didn't say "You're trying to equate rantings from two politicians with completely different platforms, goals, objectives" or anything along that line, but instead you specified "black man" and "white man."

And you're still missing the subtlety there, you numbskull. You're trying to fit my statements to your narrative instead of understand them.


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