Why do I need an external enclosure?
02-05-2017, 03:41 AM,
Post: #51
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
(02-05-2017, 03:13 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(02-04-2017, 11:48 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: And to think i just back up my important stuff to OneDrive and not deal with physical drives other than internals.

Prove it. The thinking part, that is...

Your grasp on the English language is lacking.
02-05-2017, 05:03 AM,
Post: #52
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
(02-05-2017, 03:41 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote:
(02-05-2017, 03:13 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(02-04-2017, 11:48 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: And to think i just back up my important stuff to OneDrive and not deal with physical drives other than internals.
Prove it. The thinking part, that is...
Your grasp on the English language is lacking.
Really, it isn't.
02-05-2017, 06:23 AM,
Post: #53
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
(02-05-2017, 05:03 AM)Alien Wrote:
(02-05-2017, 03:41 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote:
(02-05-2017, 03:13 AM)Gippy Wrote:
(02-04-2017, 11:48 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: And to think i just back up my important stuff to OneDrive and not deal with physical drives other than internals.
Prove it. The thinking part, that is...
Your grasp on the English language is lacking.
Really, it isn't.

It is no yeah for sure.
03-05-2017, 03:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-05-2017, 03:54 AM by more or less.)
Post: #54
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
So none of you have done home NAS/cloud thing?  Jeh I thought you were building one?

I can't decide on the way I want it to work enough to make a purchase.  I've heard horror stories about using iTunes on a shared network drive.  I am very tempted by the new WD raid cloud thingies I've read about recently though.

My get by route has involved lots of WD passport drives that power off USB.  So far, so good.
03-05-2017, 04:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-05-2017, 04:58 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #55
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
I'm pretty close to just ordering one of these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AWH...X0DER&th=1

I have all the fast direct use drives that I need. 2.5 TB worth.
Now all I want is something that TimeMachine can connect to so that my ass is covered by more than just my jeans.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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03-05-2017, 12:51 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-05-2017, 12:53 PM by Jehannum.)
Post: #56
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
(03-05-2017, 03:53 AM)more or less Wrote: So none of you have done home NAS/cloud thing?  Jeh I thought you were building one?

I can't decide on the way I want it to work enough to make a purchase.  I've heard horror stories about using iTunes on a shared network drive.  I am very tempted by the new WD raid cloud thingies I've read about recently though.

My get by route has involved lots of WD passport drives that power off USB.  So far, so good.

I've got a RAID-Z (ZFS) array in my home server, with 4x3TB western digital reds, in my i3-2120 that runs debian linux. All in, it's a 9TB array.

It serves the purpose.  Between that and my Code42 backups, I no longer have serious worries about the safety of my family photos.
03-06-2017, 03:02 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-06-2017, 03:04 AM by more or less.)
Post: #57
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
lol, when the drives idle do you sit there and wonder if you can adjust the carburetor?

I have that image of you with the hammer saying its time to do some engineering!   IT solutions overkill++.  are reds a higher class then blacks? I ask because I think those are caviar blacks in those WD thingies that both me the wookie are looking at.

I recall you had the sleep / spinup problem?  was it magic packets or are you living with firmware disc spin down management?
03-06-2017, 04:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-06-2017, 04:59 AM by Jehannum.)
Post: #58
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
(03-06-2017, 03:02 AM)more or less Wrote: lol, when the drives idle do you sit there and wonder if you can adjust the carburetor?

I have that image of you with the hammer saying its time to do some engineering!   IT solutions overkill++.  are reds a higher class then blacks? I ask because I think those are caviar blacks in those WD thingies that both me the wookie are looking at.

I recall you had the sleep / spinup problem?  was it magic packets or are you living with firmware disc spin down management?

I had a problem where I almost lost a whole mess (as in 90GB+) of family pictures.  So, I got formal permission to do the needful and get a full backup solution in place.

Reds are optimized for NAS use.  They don't spin down or park the heads as aggressively (or indeed ever, by default) as the black/blue/green series, and they have a longer time limit for error recovery (because hard disks are finicky and often error, though you don't often see it presented to you at the user level).  I think they also have some sort of vibration mitigation system that the others don't have because of their frequent proximity to other disks.  The 3 year instead of 1 year warranty makes me happy as well.

I had one of the four drives with a bad firmware revision that resulted in some extra wear, but I saw that in about a month, and flashed it to the latest.  After that, I didn't have any issues (and those were all in SMART reporting FWIW).
03-06-2017, 06:15 AM,
Post: #59
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
I love the carburetor reference, mol. Well played.
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03-06-2017, 09:35 PM,
Post: #60
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
I don't have a giant photo library and I don't have a video library. So my needs relatively modest.

I find it to be a pain in the ass to keep my own "cloud" server. I had my NAS set up with an outward-facing endpoint and a DNS entry for a while, but I never accessed it. Then the IP changed or something — I don't remember — and I opted to take it offline instead of having it there just in case I ever wanted a file. Today, my NAS is primarily a backup drive, and I keep a 64GB thumb drive on my keyring that houses an encrypted image for stuff I want to have with me.

I can keep enough music on my phone to keep me happy, it's infrequent that I want to hear some song I don't have, and usually I get over it. Odds are, I'm not in a network when that happens anyway, but if I am, I can buy whatever song for a dollar. Indeed, I bought an Eagles Greatest Hits album when I quit my last job because I wanted to listen to Already Gone on the drive home and my ancient unknown-source copy wasn't on my phone.

Also, my NAS is chrome-wheeled, fuel injected, and steppin' out over the line. [Ohoh!] I don't adjust its carburetor.
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03-06-2017, 10:55 PM,
Post: #61
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
(03-05-2017, 04:55 AM)Gippy Wrote: I'm pretty close to just ordering one of these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AWH...X0DER&th=1

I have all the fast direct use drives that I need. 2.5 TB worth.
Now all I want is something that TimeMachine can connect to so that my ass is covered by more than just my jeans.

My NAS on the Linux machine works as a time machine backup server.
03-07-2017, 02:13 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-07-2017, 02:15 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #62
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
Yeah. I just don't want to manage more hardware than I have to. This box I can stick in the closet and forget about.
I also don't want to adjust carbs. That's old tech. I want a nice, stable diesel that'll run forever, but that if I'm feeling saucy I can adjust the water injectors on and fog out my neighbors.
The chaos army seems suspiciously well organized.
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03-07-2017, 02:40 AM,
Post: #63
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
Some douche in a red truck did that to me as I was running along the street last week.

I felt sorry for his genitals, as he was clearly compensating with the truck.
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03-07-2017, 05:06 AM,
Post: #64
RE: Why do I need an external enclosure?
(03-07-2017, 02:13 AM)Gippy Wrote: Yeah. I just don't want to manage more hardware than I have to. This box I can stick in the closet and forget about.

That's what my linux box is.

I've had this install running more or less constantly since 1998 (or whenever Boot magazine sent out their "alternative OS" issue with debian as the disk).  It's a ship of Theseus, as there isn't a single piece of hardware that remains from that machine on it now, but I've never reinstalled from scratch.

The only carb synchronization tasks I do is when I want to add new shit.  I recently installed OpenHab on it, so that I can start having rule-based smart home things work without "the Cloud", because "the Cloud" is always just someone else's computer.


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