Nope. No headphone jack.
01-06-2017, 04:08 PM,
Post: #26
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
(01-06-2017, 03:32 PM)Alien Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 06:08 AM)FuturDreamz Wrote: […] slightly thicker […]

http://www.razerzone.com/ca-en/gaming-sy...lade#specs
an additional 0.01" gives you a Nvidia GTX 1060

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GS43VR-6RE-Phantom-Pro.html
an additional 0.2" also gives you 32GB of RAM PLUS a spinning disk for high capacities.
01-06-2017, 05:53 PM,
Post: #27
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
What would I want a gaming card or a spinny disc for? Are you trying to sell me on your interpretation of quality computing equipment?
01-06-2017, 09:58 PM,
Post: #28
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
(01-06-2017, 07:37 AM)Gippy Wrote: Here's an example for you: I have no personal data on my work machine. At all. Nope. Not gonna do it. The only personal stuff I do on my work computer happens in a browser, and mostly in incognito windows.

Ditto that.  (mostly).  I'm aware when I'm breaking the rule.  I keep my personal stuff on an encrypted disk image on a thumb drive and access it from time to time.  And I google random shit and go "window shopping" on my work machine when I'm curious about something.  But I never create any personal assets with work's assets. 

Though usually when I do personal stuff while at my work machine, I use my phone.

I'm Kirking this edition of the MBP.  I can wait for a model that is upgradable and isn't glued together.  Otherwise, it's really just a MB.
01-07-2017, 02:04 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-07-2017, 02:05 AM by Alien.)
Post: #29
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
You're going to be waiting a long, long time. Those days are over. We're living in Jobs' vision of the future from the 1970's.

I've been using this 11" MacBook Air since 2011, and although there have been times it complained about storage (128GB SSD), I have always responded by decided how much more stuff I could cut from the local storage and in the end not been worse off for it. I bought it with the RAM and CPU options maxed, and that was the right thing to do. It'll serve us well until it no longer supports current macOS -2, I expect.
(01-06-2017, 09:58 PM)roo Wrote: I'm Kirking this edition of the MBP.
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01-07-2017, 06:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-07-2017, 06:18 AM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #30
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
(01-06-2017, 09:58 PM)roo Wrote:
(01-06-2017, 07:37 AM)Gippy Wrote: Here's an example for you: I have no personal data on my work machine. At all. Nope. Not gonna do it. The only personal stuff I do on my work computer happens in a browser, and mostly in incognito windows.

Ditto that.  (mostly).  I'm aware when I'm breaking the rule.  I keep my personal stuff on an encrypted disk image on a thumb drive and access it from time to time.  And I google random shit and go "window shopping" on my work machine when I'm curious about something.  But I never create any personal assets with work's assets. 

Though usually when I do personal stuff while at my work machine, I use my phone.

I'm Kirking this edition of the MBP.  I can wait for a model that is upgradable and isn't glued together.  Otherwise, it's really just a MB.

I think you're going to have to wait indefinitely for that MBP. I'm pretty certain that Apple is seriously considering dropping macOS entirely in favor of iOS - even if it doesn't have the same level of capability.

I have to admit that i really wish Windows 10 had more of the work|play divide that BB10 had. On that the work enviroment and personal enviroments were completely segregated (personal apps can't access work data, work MDM can't access personal data, a remote wipe sent by the company wouldn't touch the personals side) yet still being seamless. Windows 10 does a pretty good job but is not 100% there.
01-07-2017, 06:26 AM,
Post: #31
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
Oaf
01-07-2017, 10:57 PM,
Post: #32
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
(01-07-2017, 02:04 AM)Alien Wrote: You're going to be waiting a long, long time. Those days are over. We're living in Jobs' vision of the future from the 1970's.

I've been using this 11" MacBook Air since 2011, and although there have been times it complained about storage (128GB SSD), I have always responded by decided how much more stuff I could cut from the local storage and in the end not been worse off for it. I bought it with the RAM and CPU options maxed, and that was the right thing to do. It'll serve us well until it no longer supports current macOS -2, I expect.
(01-06-2017, 09:58 PM)roo Wrote: I'm Kirking this edition of the MBP.
ClubbieKirk

It may be a long wait, yes.  Like you, I'm running relatively old hardware (mid 2010 MBP).  I've since upgraded RAM and storage, but it's generally a fine machine.  That affords me the luxury of waiting. Apple's hardware is known as premier hardware. Expensive, but high-end. If they give up on that principle, they become just another crappy hardware retailer, and they won't be able to support their pricing model -- they know this, they've been there before.  So I'm optimistic that a properly assembled MBP is in the future.

But given Apple's hollow commitment to the Mac at this point (when your revenue is in the billions of dollars, you could attract more great engineers to work in parallel with iOS) and its piss poor strategy with OS diversification (do we need a TV OS?), I might have to jump to Linux if my hardware gives out.

I'm tempted to try Windows, but I'm certain that'll be folly.

My wet dream is that Panic ports its stuff to Winders or Linux. Then I'd drop the Mac like a bad habit. 
01-07-2017, 11:32 PM,
Post: #33
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
The main pull with Apple, for me, is integration. The hardware is designed for the software, and vice versa. On any other platform, something like the Touch Bar could never be more than a gimmick. It'd be half-assedly supported in a few subpar apps from the one vendor that offers is, and that'd be it. With Apple, you know it is going to be universally supported, and that it will trickle down once it becomes economically feasible. Likewise for things like force touch, trackpad gestures, you name it.
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01-08-2017, 08:06 AM,
Post: #34
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
I could probably work on windows and not want to hurt myself. Now that you can install Linux binaries you can get the tools you want on it.
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01-08-2017, 12:25 PM,
Post: #35
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
(01-07-2017, 11:32 PM)Alien Wrote: The main pull with Apple, for me, is integration. The hardware is designed for the software, and vice versa. On any other platform, something like the Touch Bar could never be more than a gimmick. It'd be half-assedly supported in a few subpar apps from the one vendor that offers is, and that'd be it. With Apple, you know it is going to be universally supported, and that it will trickle down once it becomes economically feasible. Likewise for things like force touch, trackpad gestures, you name it.

I disagree.  I don't know that it'll be universally supported.  If Apple were going to support it universally, I'd expect to see it on other Apple keyboards.  Right now, it's really a public beta.  And from what I read, Nyan Cat and a piano are the must-have apps for it.

Funny that you mention force touch and trackpad gestures as things that have earned broad support. I find the support lackluster at best, and I think force touch is counter intuitive and often obtrusive (on both iOS and macOS).

I'd cite those as examples of things that Apple tried but wasn't able to pull off. 

But time will tell.  You can't move forward with things without trying them out, but if the attempt is to turn the Pro line of goods into disposable iDevices with glued-in batteries and non-upgradable memory, then I don't imagine this innovation will do well.
01-08-2017, 01:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-08-2017, 01:43 PM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #36
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
For the Touch Bar to be successful the desktop mac has to die. Unless you plan on never using another non-Apple keyboard ever again (and having to spend $200+ if you break your keyboard. The Touchbar has a little Apple Watch CPU running it. Even if you can connect to that thing over USB or Bluetooth (USB probably, Bluetooth IDK and Apple doesn't sell wired keyboards anymore), that's an expensive chip to integrate into the keyboard - and I seriously doubt that third partys with actual useable keyboards wil be able to make their own Touch bar Keyboards.

So until Apple integrates the Touch Bar into all Macbooks and external keyboards and discontinues all models, the only devices supporting it will be the two MacBook models that everyone's having second thoughts buying because it is more expensive and doesn't have a proper USB port. I think most developers will look at that and simply pass over the touchbar or give it the bare minimum of features.

It's a bloody gimmick.

And I can download a piano app for my RCA Tablet, and go to youtube for Nyan cat.
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01-08-2017, 05:54 PM,
Post: #37
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
I guess nobody should ever try anything new unless it is 100% guaranteed to succeed and provide shareholder value. That'll spur innovation for sure!
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01-09-2017, 03:22 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-09-2017, 03:25 AM by FuturDreamz.)
Post: #38
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
(01-08-2017, 05:54 PM)Gippy Wrote: I guess nobody should ever try anything new unless it is 100% guaranteed to succeed and provide shareholder value. That'll spur innovation for sure!

The Touchbar isn't "New," It's a workaround because Apple won't make macOS touch friendly. How hard would it really be to just make the screen touch friendly?

I had a real dickens finding it, but several years ago Microsoft worked on a similar idea. They had this little touchscreen that was attacked to the outside of your travel bag that allow you to access your sidebar gadgets when the system was sleeping. It failed miserably because it added cost to the computers and had erratic developer support, which was erratic because of the few computers using it.
01-09-2017, 03:36 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-09-2017, 03:37 AM by Gippy.)
Post: #39
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
Have you used a touchscreen laptop? It's kinda miserable.
I can efficiently use a computer without needing the trackpad or mouse much. Why would I ever sacrifice that for a surface that's larger to navigate and harder to use? I wouldn't.

The touch bar is a logical evolution of that space to make it more useful than it was before.

I'm not only liking forwad to using one, but also to bend it to my will.
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01-09-2017, 08:07 AM,
Post: #40
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
...so you don't have one, and are just speculating it's usefulness.

And that's the entire point of a 2-in-1. It works absolutely perfectly in tablet mode. A lot better than trying to use an iPad with a keyboard and realizing it doesn't support mice.
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01-09-2017, 10:33 AM,
Post: #41
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
I don't have to use one to know that a contextual fKey bar is much more useful than a static one.

The 2 in 1 is dumb. Microsoft should have learned that the first time around. They're rehashing a failed idea and hoping it'll do better this time around.
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01-09-2017, 11:06 AM,
Post: #42
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
The 2-in-1 is a hit that is cannibalizing both laptops and tablets. And the whole point of static keys are muscle memory. That's why fancy cars use a click knob instead of relying on a touchscreen and the Surface Studio has a giant knob.
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01-09-2017, 04:26 PM,
Post: #43
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
Muscle memory is what has Germans sticking to AZERTY keyboards, but it does very little for a row of reprogrammable function keys that only see sporadic use and differ in function between applications.
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01-09-2017, 09:52 PM,
Post: #44
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
I'm ok with the fn keys going away. I use them for volume mostly anyway. I wish the esc key were still a key though.
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01-09-2017, 10:15 PM,
Post: #45
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
Four hours with "my" new HP ZBook and I am firmly reminded that Windows is still as fucking frustrating a horrid mess of an OS as it ever was.

Also this thing is firmly, ummm, "inspired" by Apple, as far as design goes. built-in keyboard sucks balls, though. Obviously no-one ever bothered trying to use this layout before they shipped it. And I'm not even talking about the fact they gave me a Swiss localised machine.
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01-10-2017, 12:29 AM,
Post: #46
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
How's that job at NASA looking now?
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01-10-2017, 01:10 AM,
Post: #47
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
(01-09-2017, 10:15 PM)Alien Wrote: Four hours with "my" new HP ZBook and I am firmly reminded that Windows is still as fucking frustrating a horrid mess of an OS as it ever was.

Also this thing is firmly, ummm, "inspired" by Apple, as far as design goes. built-in keyboard sucks balls, though. Obviously no-one ever bothered trying to use this layout before they shipped it. And I'm not even talking about the fact they gave me a Swiss localised machine.

I'm here while waiting for my work laptop to finish rebooting so it will recognize the network where it spends 95% of its time. Windows sux ass. And not in a good way.
01-10-2017, 01:16 AM,
Post: #48
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
So yeah. Lugging two notebooks is a small price to pay.
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01-10-2017, 02:35 AM,
Post: #49
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
You mean potardo's unsolicited advice is worth what we paid for it?

I'm stunned.
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01-10-2017, 02:56 AM,
Post: #50
RE: Nope. No headphone jack.
Well, I'm sure I would have been better off with a brittle plastic convertible with a 640x480 screen and a 4200rpm spinny drive, but I suppose I just gotta make do with what I got handed to me. At least this thing makes the impression of being Space Gray aluminium, even if it is made of plastic.
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