New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
01-09-2015, 06:22 AM,
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New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
The rock outfit I'm a member of has a new "long play" out. Much more straightforward, and features a real drum kit! Plus you get to hear me play some guitar melodies.

We also got to use a photo I took for the cover!

https://opresidente.bandcamp.com/

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01-09-2015, 11:15 AM,
Post: #2
RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
That's really cool!
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01-09-2015, 02:26 PM,
Post: #3
RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
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01-10-2015, 10:25 AM,
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RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
I like this better than the last album you posted, "Clube de Futbol." It feels polished and good.

But, there's something I can't get past, and don't take this the wrong way, but it's the guitar. The playing is fine, the style works with the band. But it's loud in the mix -- like Foo Fighters loud. I think it has to be for the music, but it's not a polished tone to my ear. It's the sort of tone I'd expect to hear live, but not on the record.

I kind of what some reverb or delay... like maybe Pearl Jam's Got Some:

Here's a tone comparison: Hard Times from J. Roddy Walston and the Business
here's the record version:
and a live version:

Hear the reverb and subtle bigness on the record? I think it holds it together. Not that the live version is bad, but the guitar tone, while dominant, is not as robust as the recorded track.

As it stands, I tend to draw comparisons to Guided by Voices. I think the music is great and I want to like it. I can even enjoy listening to it once I get past the peculiarities of its character. But there's something about the production sticks in my ear and distracts me from loving it.

On the other hand, it might well be the exact tone you're going for, and I totally respect and appreciate that. It works in the context, and I'm going on about personal preference.

Despite my finicky thoughts on guitar tone, the bottom line is that I like the music. I think you are successfully marrying a few disparate styles in a clever way, you're creating a "big" sound with a minimal approach, the changes are thought-provoking, and I look forward to each song because of how interesting the last one was. Well done.
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01-10-2015, 10:41 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-10-2015, 10:41 PM by Jehannum.)
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RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
Roo, I think what you're hearing is mostly a mastering fail. I hear it, too, but the forwardness of the guitar is exacerbated by how hard the mix is stomped down with compression and limiting. It sounds like there was about an 8:1 limiting knee put in after a pretty hardcore compressor. On the Helen Mystic EP, the same thing bugged me because of the way it made the drum stand out from the mix. IMO, it's just an artifact of someone with not a ton of experience.
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01-11-2015, 03:00 AM,
Post: #6
RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
I think Tobobo should gather up the master reels, sit down with Jeh and Roo and then we release the Helen Mystic Treefort Remastered Edition.
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01-13-2015, 11:06 AM,
Post: #7
RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
Excellent plan, Gippy.

I think what you're hearing is an attempt to immitate a sort of garage-rock-y sound that has been sorta popular in the Bay Area in the last few years. Here's an example from another, more established band.

Roo nailed it when he said that perhaps it's what the guitar should sound like live—I think that was the goal of the mixing. Some of the rock coming out around here goes pretty far in terms of mixing things non-traditionally or purposefully low-fi—for example, stuff from fuzz city records:
https://soundcloud.com/fuzz-city/koiran-n-k-inen-nainen-et-voi
https://soundcloud.com/fuzz-city/11-groovy-intuitions

thanks so much for the feedback! Most of my friends are just like "yeah it's good" so it's great to have some stuff to think about for the next musical project.
01-13-2015, 11:32 AM,
Post: #8
RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
cheers to that.

One of my big takeaways from life is that if what you do seems like a mistake, it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, it'll be perceived as a mistake.

My first impression of your album was that it was a mistake. But after I listened to it, I realized it probably wasn't. It's a fine line, but you do pull it off. Though, if it were me, I'd have led the album with a track that has distorted guitar tone because it's fuller. Smile

Good stuff really. I've paid for albums that are far inferior.
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01-13-2015, 12:23 PM,
Post: #9
RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
Hooray! No offense taken whatsoever—I didn't pursue music to be uncontroversial :edgy:
01-13-2015, 12:55 PM,
Post: #10
RE: New music from tobobo, pt 2: rock and roll edition
Cool. some day I hope I can send you an email begging you to open for you with my high school band mates because we're gonna reunite* and it'll be epic.

*we're gettin' the band back together†
†we are not getting the band back together.
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